I'm guessing this Assassin could either be native American or a closely native mix between races. This would seem to be the most sensible way to frame the conflict with a more neutral or uncertain perspective.
Assassin's Creed III Declares Independence from England
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^ I think you're on to something.
All the art work I've just seen here:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/01/april-cover-revealed-assassin-39-s-creed-iii.aspx
Hints unambiguously toward the Assassin fighting on the side of the Revolution.
It raises some speculative issues; given that the series had linked the founding fathers and post-revolution America with the Templars up until this point.
All the art work I've just seen here:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/01/april-cover-revealed-assassin-39-s-creed-iii.aspx
Hints unambiguously toward the Assassin fighting on the side of the Revolution.
It raises some speculative issues; given that the series had linked the founding fathers and post-revolution America with the Templars up until this point.
I dont know what you mean by France/US relations being complicated, everyones relation is complicated, however if you mean to suggest they are clearly allies, well. I want to say I disagree. You been to a history lesson theese past five decades? America, very recently. Has done something that sorta puts us in debt to them, a lot. Ee are. At 'worst' Allies. At best our relation is good. It was strained at George Bush but nothing near what I would call villainization. We trade more with them than we do with China, we share a defense military with them, and mind you. Them participating with 'by far' the largest part. I mean Europe, if it was united. Would have almost as much funds as the US. Yet since most of us only use like 0,2 to 1% of our budget on the thing, the US participates far more to what is essentialy 'our' defense. Clearly that, even despite Bushy. Shows that we are allies. They trade with us, we would defend eachother. (Face it, if Europe was attacked the US would come to its aid, and vice versa, even doing a crisis) Majority of Europeans might dislike the US-Goverment. But most Europeans are friendly towards Americans and America as a whole. French included.Therumancer said:The relationship between France and the US is complicated to say the least, I'm not sure if "allies" is a term I'd use at all anymore. We are however the primary market for video games right now, and this is one time period we clearly remember being allied, and it exists as a subtle reminder of French intervention then. Assuming there was any nationalistic consideration her at all, as opposed to simply deciding American patriotism sells to Americans.
Freemasons having a substantial prescence in the US is very true, there has been a lot said about it over the years. Indeed it's arguably the reason why we had the awkwardly stated "freedom of religion" in the US, rathe than simply specifying Christianity which was the actual practice. The Freemasons still being pseudo-secret.
I could see this going a number of ways to be honest, in part I suspect that this might be a veiled way of justifying putting the gory murder of both American and British historical personages into the game which would kind of play havoc with the bit about marketing above.
Where this goes remains to be seen, I don't know anything, I could see it going in a few differant directions. Overall though two things can be said about this:
#1: The typical "Assasin's Creed" apperance doesn't work. It could be argued that the cloaked pseudo-hoodie look could fit in either in the middle ages or to an extent in the renaissance where I think it was pushing it for "indiscrete" since having your hood up that much would have been unusual in some of those enviroments. It doesn't fit at all in the late 1700s, France might want to look at some period costumes.
Basically going by that artwork if we're to assume our assasin is going to blind into the streets of say 1775 Boston by putting a bright white hood up over his head and walking slowly, that is going to be comedy gold. For this reason I'd almost suspect this cover has to be a phrank... I mean seriously think about it, yet it hides the face, but this does not scream "stealth" or "assasin" which is kind of the point of the series.
#2: To be honest, I sort of feel like Ubisoft is out of ideas here, and has been stealing from their own imitators. This seem similar (by no means identifical in setting) to the game "Backstab" which was an iPhone/Kindlefire/Pad/whatever game going for a vibe similar to Assasin's creed where you basically took out old world soldiers with now antiquidated firearms using a lot of the same kind of gameplay you'd have expected from Assasin's Creed. I've never bought it, but I've seem it, and have heard some people claim that while simplified they actually thought it wound up being better than AC. I think the game was by a company called "Gameloft" or something like that, the guys who did a scaled-down version of WoW as a full featured MMO for portables (Order and Chaos I think it's called).
It's not a terrible idea in of itself, but it makes me think they are imitating their imitators.
As a series I don't think Assasin's Creed ever had a planned ending to be honest, the nature of the franchise lets them drag it out for as many installments as they happen to want. I don't imagine we'll see an ending until we see some serious flagging from one or two of the chapters at which point they will try and get one more burst of sales with a finale and worry about tying it up at that point.
When they DO tie up the series, I suspect it will be with one final mind trip where your going to have a descendant of Desmond (as opposed to Desmond) doing his thing against the organization(s) toying with Desmond. We'll probably find out that the oftentimes awkward and disjointed narrative (the desmond sequences being criticized) is now justified by the "reveal" that it was someone remembering desmond being forced to remember.
It's possible that the finale might also be a situation where whomever is "remembering" desmond doing his remembering is using new technology breaking the rules set from the tech used on Desmond due to it being newer, in order to stop some kind of super assasin created with his combined knowlege, all of this knowlege being used to grant parity or something.
It's just a thought, but it seems like the obvious "surprise" in a series this heavily based on mentality. The idea of the dreamer themself turning out to be a dream so to speak. Given that Ubisoft to me seem to be running low on ideas for this franchise... well a few years down the road, remember I called it here.
Although sorry if I misunderstood what you said. And I also dont wanna turn this into a politics thread, I dont wanna come off as kissing americas ass either. I just dont get why anyone would think that we arent allies. Disagreements on International Intervention and Global Climate Debates aside, we are a lot alike. Both culturewise and economy. We have history together, and they came to help us in the past, for one preventing Denmark from comming under Russian rule. I am, very thankful for that.
You know, I always thought that the Assasin's Creed series was about the conflict between belief, and logical reasoning. Hence the Crusades setting, the Renaissance of Italy setting and such. Or just religious conflict in general.
Just kind of wondering what kind of conflict they can have in the Revolutionary era. Perhaps something to do with the amount of influence Christianity has on the Founding Fathers? Just a little curious, and wondering if Ubisoft are reverting to a 'safer' plot line than previously.
Just kind of wondering what kind of conflict they can have in the Revolutionary era. Perhaps something to do with the amount of influence Christianity has on the Founding Fathers? Just a little curious, and wondering if Ubisoft are reverting to a 'safer' plot line than previously.
Im gonna be pretty pissed off if the game basically turns into the movie The PatriotKhanht Cope said:
For one thing the founding fathers are supposed to be Templars in AC lore so i don't understand why it would be a one sided fight against the British.
Also if the character is a Native Indian and they're using that as the reason for getting involved in the conflict, i thought most tribes sided with the British.. so again it doesn't make much sense.
And my final problem with this is the lack of decent architecture... it'll be interesting to see how they get past this.
A lot of people making connections between the new Assassin being a native American siding with the Revolutionaries. Most native American groupings actually sided with the British during the Revolution.
I think it's far more likely that the Assassins will be taking an impartial view of the conflict, drawing both allies and enemies from every group.
Not to mention that its unlikely the Assassins existed in the Americas before Europeans began exploring and settling them. Given the Assassins' tendency to try to understand and engage with all cultures, I think the explanation for the tomahawk will likely be that the American Assassins have been influenced by the native Americans' style of fighting.
I think it's far more likely that the Assassins will be taking an impartial view of the conflict, drawing both allies and enemies from every group.
Not to mention that its unlikely the Assassins existed in the Americas before Europeans began exploring and settling them. Given the Assassins' tendency to try to understand and engage with all cultures, I think the explanation for the tomahawk will likely be that the American Assassins have been influenced by the native Americans' style of fighting.
OH MY JESUS, THIS WILL BE AWESOME.
Can't wait, wish it'd been Japanese oriented but hell, I don't think I care now!
Can't wait, wish it'd been Japanese oriented but hell, I don't think I care now!
The "Patriots" in that title refer to the terrorists that are causing a revolt though.Saucycarpdog said:
OT: Like I said earlier, no matter what they chose, the self entitled fan base was gonna be extremely loud. Italy was rather neutral, but this is a little bit more definitive.
I'm glad they put the foot down. I can't see the Victorian Period working unless they really changed the formula. The Aztec idea was simply ridiculous (nowhere near advanced enough, and the architecture simply would not work in an AC game). While I would be interested in a Japan game, the Revolution is much more fresh idea that still has yet to be done in a game like this.
Also, we see the teaser trailer in three days? Closer than I thought.
Edit: Also, a guy above was talking about the new suit. It actually does work when you get a closer look at it. If you take away the hood, it's pretty much just a (rather complicated) period suit. And if you look at his arm, you see a very influential Native American arm band, pretty much confirming he's an Indian.
http://www.gameinformer.com/p/ac3.aspx
Fuck me, I'm excited
Keep in mind that places like Boston and Philadelphia were relatively advanced. Not to mention some of the forts at the time.XMark said:
Plus, there was that whole War of 1812 thing where the Brits came back and burned (I think) Philadelphia down. So my guess is they'll do a whole "this is what it used to look like" and take a liberal approach to the setting.
Also, I have the feeling we're gonna be seeing a lot of giant underground secrets like they did with the Italy storyline.
Deriving from the original idea arent we, the assassins were supposed to be neutral.
But, why do I sense some controversy potentially spreading from this title. If the founding fathers were supposed to be templars, and the assassins are supposed to eliminate said templars................FOX NEWS WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY!
Especially with an election on the horizon.
But, why do I sense some controversy potentially spreading from this title. If the founding fathers were supposed to be templars, and the assassins are supposed to eliminate said templars................FOX NEWS WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY!
Especially with an election on the horizon.
Looking forward to it. Dreading the English accents, though. I can't tell if developers these days are trying to be stereotypical or just flat out don't realise there's more than one bloody English accent, but either way I expect a lot of soldier shouting "blimey!" and "cheerio old chaps, looks like I'm not long for this world!"
All we did was beat them in a few wars, and now they've got to be all passive aggressive about it!Marshall Honorof said:
Ok as long as every single Englishman isn't portrayed as evil templar bastards that feast on the blood of children i'm ok with it... Hey the American Revolutionary War is never the setting in anything ever so woo go newness!
I think our relationship with France nowadays is more of an inferiority complex/attention seeking. The UK economy is third biggest in Europe, France is second.Sparrow said:
^^^This times a million. We really need to nip this "America was all mud huts and cabins at the time of the Revolution" nonsense in the bud.JoesshittyOs said:
You sir are a card, and you need to be delt with!DVS BSTrD said:
On topic: i am seriously looking forward to this game, AC has been one of my favorite games for a good long while, was sad to say goodbye to the charming sexually promiscuous Italian (talk about racial sterotyples lol)
Looking forward to getting to grips with a whole sack full of new weapons though!
Fortunately, they already have an established lore thanks to the glyph puzzles in 2 and Brotherhood. George Washington was a Templar, as were a few British rulers. Hopefully it will be similar to 1 where the Templars are a shadow faction playing both sides.Druyn said:
I'm on the side of heading back towards AC1 in the the Assassins are neutral, killing Templars on both sides.
What do you expect? Faux News like you said will have a field day if indeed has the founding fathers as antagonists and Ubisoft being French doesn't help the matter either.wooty said:
You know what it's gonna be a f***ing miracle if those assholes didn't cover this.
But then again there's no such thing as bad publicity. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity] right?