Dark Souls Port Brings Console Problems to PC

[Aeonknight]

Should have seen this coming.

I'm still getting it, except I'm gonna wait a bit and see if it's as glitchy as all hell.

If its exactly like the console version (like From seems to be saying), 95% of the problems will be bearable lag in blighttown. It isnt that bad either.

Only other problem I had was summoning someone and lag just hitting me hard, but that aint the games fault.

It's literally impossible to make the game "exactly" like the console version, unless you're playing on the console's hardware.

...Which we aren't. And that's where the hardware glitches invade.

Whether intentional or not, you kind of created a pun there.

Whoever buys the PC port for Dark Souls, there needs to be 1 person out there who creates a character named Hardware Glitches and rolls him as a Darkwraith. Greatest phantom ever.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well I guess we will wait and see if the hacking/modding wizards can coax some life out of this one, otherwise it will be one hell of a rough ride.

I understand most of you don't see low framerate difference because you just don't care how it plays, but for those of us who do 30 FPS is really fucking horrid (plus random frame drops even below that), in a game that demands the top of your abilities that is possibly the worst thing to leave there.

 

[the doom cannon]

First off, the game is not the same price. it's $10 USD more than the console version, more in some places. Second, how am I being entitled by wanting a valid pc port of a game that's a year old? Nearly every single game nowadays is a console port, and nearly every single one has customizable graphics settings and rebindable controls. This is just a half-assed port made to appease a fanbase. Good luck appeasing anyone with this. Either you do it all the way or you don't do it at all. If you couldn't port it then don't try. If you could port it, then why only go halfway? 30 fps. Ok fine, 30 fps is playable. But what about drops? if it drops just 5 fps suddenly it becomes very choppy. Drop 10 fps and you're getting close to the point that a lot of people will just stop playing. I would gladly pay $10 more for a well done port, but that's not what this is. I'll just get it for my console tyvm. They were even so lazy as to lock up their engine to 720p. If this port doesn't scream lazy to you, then I must be looking at the wrong game.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Oh my God. Can PC gamers even ENJOY the game now?

if they can't then they need to pull the stick out of their asses and get over it

sides 'PC gamers' did ask for a port of a game, from a company that last i checked, doesn't really do PC games, if they where expecting perfection well, they can go back to Skyrim >.> oh wait ......

 

[Doom972]

I hope some people who actually care about this game will make a community patch that fixes what the developers are too lazy to fix.
I guess I won't buy this game on release.

 

[octafish]

It's not a matter of holding out for a PC version. Unlike industry folk some of us only have one platform and not the money to own several platforms. True, the cost of one high-end PC could get you two or three consoles, but I can't earn a living with those. Regardless of reasons for getting the PC version, there might be some fan effort that succeeds where From Soft failed.

I'd say almost certainly if the tools are given to them, and a pretty strong maybe if the tools aren't given to them. That said, console games look like shit when you sit a couple of feet from them, this will look like shit on a 1080 monitor if there are no improvements to the graphics.

I'm not buying this though, because I never wanted it.

EDIT: Oh and the game gives your PC Syphilis? (AKA: GFWL) There is a very good reason I prefer CoH over DoW2, and it isn't gameplay...

 

[G32420NL]

bit dissapointed at some of the reactions about pc elitsm, i understand where they are coming from and altough i am a pc only gamer (financial reasons) i can see the fun and advantages of consoles and enjoy them when visiting friends. the 30 frames are really not a problem, but the resolution is a bit of a hitch, in the sense that on a tv the scaling and distance from the tv help alot but this may not be the case sitting close to the monitor.
I will evade this by hooking my pc up to the television but that kinda is working around the problem. what im trying to say is that when playing with a monitor you will not get the great experience as with the console version because the artstyle will be blurred out of existence.

Still glad that it's coming after it wasnt planned and i will play the heck out of it.

btw. never eeeever use car analogy's in gaming, it just doesnt work.

 

[Rad Party God]

Well... I don't care if it looks like shit *twitching eye*, I'm more concerned about the FPS performance. I also don't care if it runs at 30 fps, if it's perfectly playable, with as less hitches and hiccups as possible, I'm ok with it.

 

[lacktheknack]

Should have seen this coming.

I'm still getting it, except I'm gonna wait a bit and see if it's as glitchy as all hell.

If its exactly like the console version (like From seems to be saying), 95% of the problems will be bearable lag in blighttown. It isnt that bad either.

Only other problem I had was summoning someone and lag just hitting me hard, but that aint the games fault.

It's literally impossible to make the game "exactly" like the console version, unless you're playing on the console's hardware.

...Which we aren't. And that's where the hardware glitches invade.

Whether intentional or not, you kind of created a pun there.

Whoever buys the PC port for Dark Souls, there needs to be 1 person out there who creates a character named Hardware Glitches and rolls him as a Darkwraith. Greatest phantom ever.

Done.

I wonder how many people I'll utterly freak out?

 

[Nietz]

It's a shame that this port isn't getting the attention it deserves from the developers, it seems like a great game, and it'd be even better if they managed to iron out the kinks. I will get it regardless. I've been very interested in this game for a long time, and I have never even played it. I think I've seen it played(live) once, a friend of mine borrowed if of some dude.

There is one other thing though... Can't we ever stop acting like children? Gamers are gamers, regardless of the platform they choose. Why must we always resort to flinging crap at each other whenever a divide between platforms comes up? It wasn't fun in the Nintendo/Sega days, and it's only gotten worse. This is really ugly and pathetic. >_<

As a side note: It's funny how my spell-checker moans when I type Nintendo with a lower-case N, but doesn't give two sh*ts about how I type Sega.

 

[tobi the good boy]

Sweet, I can actually give the game a go now (a distinct lack of console made it difficult). My only wish is that they'd have put armoured core 5 on PC, but it is one of their lesser profiting games so I can understand it.

 

[Weaver]

bit dissapointed at some of the reactions about pc elitsm, i understand where they are coming from and altough i am a pc only gamer (financial reasons) i can see the fun and advantages of consoles and enjoy them when visiting friends. the 30 frames are really not a problem, but the resolution is a bit of a hitch, in the sense that on a tv the scaling and distance from the tv help alot but this may not be the case sitting close to the monitor.

Not only this, but I'm amazed people are unaware that (some) HD TV's are not just big computer monitors. They interpolate images when they framerate is lower than their prescribed framerate that gives the image more of an illusion of smoothness. It's called Motion Interpolation and it's a real thing, and is not present in PC monitors. There's a reason, besides distance, why 30FPS looks good on my TV, but looks choppy on my monitor.

 

[Burst6]

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Not only this, but I'm amazed people are unaware that (some) HD TV's are not just big computer monitors. They interpolate images when they framerate is lower than their prescribed framerate that gives the image more of an illusion of smoothness. It's called Motion Interpolation and it's a real thing, and is not present in PC monitors. There's a reason, besides distance, why 30FPS looks good on my TV, but looks choppy on my monitor.

Actually i have my PS3 hooked up to my desktop monitor and dark souls ran perfectly for me. I didn't notice any choppiness, even when i connected my PS3 on my HDTV and compared them.

Also don't most HD TV's have a gaming mode that turns off all the extra things to prevent delay, like Motion Interpolation? That's what i did with my TV because all my actions had a .5s lag to them from all the extra image enhancements.

 

[Rainforce]

You guys wanted Dark Souls, you're getting it, warts and all.


The game isn't going to be worse on PC, it's going to be exactly the same as the console version, the version you petitioned so hard to get.

And you get free DLC.

Don't forget that the FPS drop will still be not as bad as the console version, at least that's what some E3 visitors said.
so we will rather get a slightly improved version plus free DLC.

also 30FPS cap is the reason why we can't have nice things, of course.
(while said bitchy people also watch their HD movies at 24fps or something without any complains)
life is hard if you're an entitled pc gamer who deserves so much more.

EDIT: aaand I should've probably read all the pages, instead of just the first. Cue me retelling everything that was already said before

 

[G32420NL]

You guys wanted Dark Souls, you're getting it, warts and all.


The game isn't going to be worse on PC, it's going to be exactly the same as the console version, the version you petitioned so hard to get.

And you get free DLC.

Don't forget that the FPS drop will still be not as bad as the console version, at least that's what some E3 visitors said.
so we will rather get a slightly improved version plus free DLC.

also 30FPS cap is the reason why we can't have nice things, of course.
(while said bitchy people also watch their HD movies at 24fps or something without any complains)
life is hard if you're an entitled pc gamer who deserves so much more.

But a movie is something different from a game :S in a movie you dont have to react to events, but as i said, i dont mind 30 frames as long as it stays in that neigborhood.

I find that 30 frames does give a game a filmic feel while 60 fps gives a bit more realism en fluid feel.

 

[the doom cannon]

Why do people insist on claiming we get free dlc? It's included, yes, but we're also paying a higher cost than for the console version. Can we stop jumping on the bandwagon of pc elitism claims? This isn't the issue here. The issue is that they made a lazy, half-assed port. The fact that they made it is awesome, but they only made it halfway. So they smoothed out the most laggy part of the entire game. If they didn't they would be getting even more heat. HD movies look blurry during fast motion. On a good pc game it's crisp, clean movements. As pc gamers we expect devs to take advantage of the hardware available now, not the hardware available 7 years ago. Good devs understand that and make good ports. But when a good dev team doesn't understand that, well you get Dark Souls PC, which isn't bad, but it isn't good either.

 

[Rainforce]

But a movie is something different from a game :S in a movie you dont have to react to events, but as i said, i dont mind 30 frames as long as it stays in that neigborhood.

I find that 30 frames does give a game a filmic feel while 60 fps gives a bit more realism en fluid feel.

I see the problem, and would agree, but:
experience (and of course observations from 3rd parties) tells me that 30 FPS are good enough, as you calculate most of the stuff that is going on in the game subconsciously instead of actually seeing it (which is really shitty from our brains and we all like to be in denial about it). so as long as it's above 20-something you're surprisingly fine.

 

[G32420NL]

But a movie is something different from a game :S in a movie you dont have to react to events, but as i said, i dont mind 30 frames as long as it stays in that neigborhood.

I find that 30 frames does give a game a filmic feel while 60 fps gives a bit more realism en fluid feel.

I see the problem, and would agree, but:
experience (and of course observations from 3rd parties) tells me that 30 FPS are good enough, as you calculate most of the stuff that is going on in the game subconsciously instead of actually seeing it (which is really shitty from our brains and we all like to be in denial about it). so as long as it's above 20-something you're surprisingly fine.

I agree with your point to a degree, it's why bf3 and cod on console both feel good to me and it could never ruin my fun when a game is capped at 30 fps. My point is not that 30 fps is not enough. but it is a fact that the difference between 30 and 60 fps can be noticed and can create a different feel. Not needed maybe, with that i agree but it is there.

And i whould just like to say that not all people with pc's are elitists, i do like the perks of pc gaming and love the tech stuff but it always takes backseat to the gameplay experience

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

Well at least now I am going to save some money by passing on this. If you aren't going to make a title optimized for the platform it is released on, don't bother releasing it at all, that is my book.
That'd be like releasing a PC game on consoles, but designed in such a way that when you turn it on, the console explodes, or has no support for a controller. It isn't about PC gamers being elitist, we just want it optimized for our platform. If you aren't going to do it, don't bother releasing it.

 

[Weaver]

To me it's like re-releasing a movie on bluray but keeping the image at the 480p from the DVD version.

What's the point? We already have the DVD version.