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kiteley

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The Great JT said:
I can't wait to see how Atkinson responds to this one...probably by trying to run Yahtzee out of Australia.
the same way Charlie Chaplain was out of America?
wouldn't surprise me, lol. Him and his deviant ways, especially as he's basically set the entirety of this websites community against the Australian government (i've only sent my message twice... xD)
 

Chunko

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KingPiccolOwned said:
williebaz said:
KingPiccolOwned said:
williebaz said:
Hey guys, how many of you spammed him?
Not myself, unfortunately. I feel like I should, but I also feel like I shouldn't, though I don't know why.
Go for it, this is how democracy works :)
True, but then I'm not even from Austrailia, so I kind of feel like I'm getting into other people's business when I do.
Me neither, but i sent him a letter anyway :)
 

Vivendel

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I tried a different approach ;)

Dear Mr. Atkinson

As you're no doubt aware of, your email adress has been publicised on a very popular website for hobbyist gamers. I can imagine that this will have led to a not inconsiderate amount of various emails written with the sole intent to harass and maybe even intimidate. For my own part I consider this a good opportunity to voice my disagreement in a more civilized fashion. Although I doubt that you'll ever read this, as this message is more than likely to drown in the ocean of other messages already pouring into your inbox. Still, it's worth an attempt.

As a gamer of grown age I've followed the debate on violence in videogames over the years and like to believe I have managed to remain somewhat unbiased on the issue (I do however enjoy several of the titles that have been given an 18+ rating, so my neutrality on the subject can be questioned), after all you have to know the subject matter to be able to make a balanced decision on any subject. In my experience there exist among us hobbyists (or childish, asocial nerds to some) a general consensus that yes, there are strong arguments that point towards a connection between violence in games and desensitization towards violence among minors. This should not be confused with the wrongful assumption that violent videogames leads to more violence, but it's pretty easy to understand that if a child is exposed to a great deal of graphic violence this will have an affect. However, this is no different to violence in films or books. Yes, the violence is interactive. Yes, you participate. And yes a lot of the violence is childish and sadistic. Violence in horror/slasher films is equally sadistic (take the "Hostel"-series as an example). A lot of great novels carry pretty graphic depictions of violence and sex and not always in a fashion generally considered moral or constructive. Yet, these mediums are accepted as entertainment because they were made for an adult audience, and not with children in mind.

I do believe you understand where I'm going with this and you've probably heard it before but remain unconvinced. Alas, it can't hurt to say it once more. Not all videogames are made for kids. In fact the term videogame is misleading and should be replaced with "interactive entertainment" or something similar. Videogames can be a form of art (I strongly suggest that you check out the game studio Tale of Tales with their titles "The Path" and The Graveyard") where themes such as death, sex and violence is given context. To deny these titles the right to be distributed by argumenting that "they are potentially harmful to children" is in my opinion both prejudiced and narrow. (You don't ban cigarettes, even though many minors get older people to purchase them for them).

I also believe that as an adult I'm entitled to certain rights. If I want to see Joel Schumacher's "Falling Down" where Michael Douglas, fed up with society, goes on a killing spree, I'm free to do this. If I want to write a novel about a guy torturing kittens and enjoying it, I'm free to do so as well. If I want to play a videogame intended for an adult audience, whether it be artsy, pseudo-melancholic, murder riddles or simply good old-fashioned beheading an alien with a chainsaw, shouldn't I be free to do so as well.

Pretty much every government in the world think so (including my own Norwegian government). Maybe you should reconsider too?

Sincerely yours,
Vivendel
 

Anarex

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Without making a big thing about it, checkpoints and save points directly effect difficulty. No matter how hard a game is, there are always patterns. The game is trying to figure out the patterns. The hardest games are those that offer the fewest chances to learn the entire pattern.

The hardest game I ever played was Everquest. Old Everquest was brutal. Nothing comes close. There wasn't anything amazing about the boss battles, you just had a very limited ability to learn the pattern. There was no instance. The mob was up in the real world. If another guild killed it, it wouldn't be up for a week or more. On top of that, you needed around 80 plus real people to make the attempt. When I got my epic, it meant something. WOW just does not compare. I know people call it punishment not difficulty, but its not. Its all difficulty.

Simple truth, more checkpoints means more opportunities to learn the pattern. Once you master the pattern the game is on farm status. Farming isn't fun. Just the way it is. Difficulty is always directly related to the death penalty. The lower the death penalty, the easier the game. That will never change. There is no point arguing about it. Some people just prefer easier games. Nothing wrong with that. I just did not think Yahtzee was one of them. I was wrong.
 

Leon's Hell

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As Michael Atkinson has said "This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society -- and, I think, harm society" I would love society to think the same way as I do, there would be a lot less arguments, but the simple fact remains that playing games has never forced anything on society (with the exception of Running Man, 1982 book by Stephen King, and I'm almost certain that the book was a work of fiction).

The fact that I just want to see zombies explode into a glorious shower of body parts has nothing to do with a deep seeded fantasy to rampage through the streets yelling "The heads, you have to shoot them in the heads!" I just find it humorous.

Although the best part of his statement was "98 percent, 99 percent of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1 percent to 2 percent could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence". Now I suppose this would be a valid argument if every week there was a murder where on the wall near the victim there was a message that said "The princess wasn't here either" or maybe a person sifting through the persons pockets saying "Why haven't you dropped any coins?" Then I might be concerned with what video games are doing to the minds of the impressionable.

Okay lets have a little bit of simple maths, lets say that we take on of the highest selling games of recent years with a decent amount of violence, Halo 3. There were 8.1 million copies sold going with 1% of gamers been unable to tell fantasy from real life that means 81,000 people could possibly go on to "commit horrible acts of violence" because of Halo. I may not have all of the incidences of game violence at hand but main-stream media has shown about fourteen over the last ten years to have tentative links to video games, we're talking the "They might have seen a video game in the past" tentative links.

Enough of me complaining here, I'm off to send one or seven e-mails to Mr. Atkinson.
 

VanQ

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I really, really hate to say this, but to all the people sending "serious" emails to Atkinson, please FOR THE LOVE OF GAMES USE THE SPELL CHECKER! I beg of you, at least prove that we can speak and write coherent English before trying to look serious.
 

Nevyrmoore

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I seriously hope no one decided to have a complete lapse in common sense and sent Mr. Atkinson any e-mails that were rude and insulting...
 

Leon's Hell

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VanQQisH said:
I really, really hate to say this, but to all the people sending "serious" emails to Atkinson, please FOR THE LOVE OF GAMES USE THE SPELL CHECKER! I beg of you, at least prove that we can speak and write coherent English before trying to look serious.
This is a good point. We don't need them thinking we are a group of illiterates. Because if you can't grasp a concept as simple as correct sentence structure, they most certainly won't think you're well enough equipped to play games with advanced decapitations. Also I think the only emails been sent should be serious, because if you are threatening to sneak into his back yard and eat his dog, this isn't the mind of a sound person and will only serve to strengthen his resolve and give him ammunition for his, lack of a better analogy, single player campaign against gamers.
 

Fuhjem

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Do you guys think that this is a good letter for Mr. Atkinson?
Fuhjem said:
Dear Mr. Atkinson,

While you may believe that gamers and game enthusiasts alike are just a small minority composed of small, helpless children; the real world is quite the contrary.
In the real world, gamers count for around 70% of the worlds population. That 70% counts for human beings of ages from 5 to 33. Thirty-Three years old is not a child, and should be treated as an adult.
A percentage, as you hopefully know, is nothing more than a fancy fraction. 49/100 would be a minority. 50/100 would be an equilibrium. 51/100 is a majority. We account for 70/100. That is MUCH, much more than what is the bare minimum for a majority.

Now I don't know much about how math works in Australia, I'm from another country, but in reality 70% is a very large Majority and you should listen to that majority.
We know of your false promises to allow games an 18+ rating after re-elections. We do not believe them.
But we are legion.
We do not forgive,
and we do not forget.
These ghosts will haunt you, Mr. Atkinson.

Now, please, enjoy the hot steaming load in your inbox.
Tell me what you think.
 

mjc0961

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The end of that had me laughing my ass off. I don't live in Australia myself, but I still think the man is an idiot and I think I might just e-mail him and tell him so.
 

Dys

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williebaz said:
I'm going to spam micheal atkinson now.

[email protected]
I'd be amazed if he didn't have a filter or possibly someone to sort through all the hatemail. Even though he's a douche, he doesn't have unlimited time.

Fuhjem said:
Do you guys think that this is a good letter for Mr. Atkinson?
Fuhjem said:
Dear Mr. Atkinson,

While you may believe that gamers and game enthusiasts alike are just a small minority composed of small, helpless children; the real world is quite the contrary.
In the real world, gamers count for around 70% of the Australias population. That 70% counts for human beings of ages from 5 to 33. Thirty-Three years old is not a child, and should be treated as an adult.
A percentage, as you hopefully know, is nothing more than a fancy fraction. 49/100 would be a minority. 50/100 would be an equilibrium. 51/100 is a majority. We account for 70/100. That is MUCH, much more than what is the bare minimum for a majority.

Now I don't know much about how math works in Australia, I'm from another country, but in reality 70% is a very large Majority and you should listen to that majority.
We know of your false promises to allow games an 18+ rating after re-elections. We do not believe them.
But we are legion.
We do not forgive,
and we do not forget.
These ghosts will haunt you, Mr. Atkinson.

Now, please, enjoy the hot steaming load in your inbox.
Tell me what you think.
Change 'worlds population' to Australias, 70% of the worlds population do not play videogames, that's an outrageous claim (the majority of the worlds population are, in fact, living in poverty). I'd probably cut the anonymus part tool, enough people have been threatening him and it's acheived nothing.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Wait so you need a unanimous vote from all six attorney generals to pass this thing? That's ridiculous, like how often does THAT happen? Why not just say "um let's see 5/6? Good enough, let's pass this thing and tell Micheal Atkinson to go fuck himself."
 

Zombie Nixon

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canadamus_prime said:
Wait so you need a unanimous vote from all six attorney generals to pass this thing? That's ridiculous, like how often does THAT happen? Why not just say "um let's see 5/6? Good enough, let's pass this thing and tell Micheal Atkinson to go fuck himself."
It's a mechanism that countries use to make their government as ineffectual as possible. Which is actually a good idea most of the time
 

Canadamus Prime

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Zombie Nixon said:
canadamus_prime said:
Wait so you need a unanimous vote from all six attorney generals to pass this thing? That's ridiculous, like how often does THAT happen? Why not just say "um let's see 5/6? Good enough, let's pass this thing and tell Micheal Atkinson to go fuck himself."
It's a mechanism that countries use to make their government as ineffectual as possible. Which is actually a good idea most of the time
Not really.
 

Lord_Seth

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I wonder if Yahtzee hates NetHack? It sends you back to the start of the game if you die. (well, unless you have an amulet of lifesaving)

Then again, I suppose there is Explore Mode...

It's interesting to find out he liked IWBTG though.