Even the Floor Hates the New Dante

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Sonic Doctor

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OutrageousEmu said:
I've often wondered how trivial a change a designer could make to a character to have people say they were ruined forever.

DMC fans have set a new record, claiming that the series is ruined because Dante now has black hair.
Hair color is just being picky. But I agree with ruined people in that that doesn't look like Dante, color his hair white, he still doesn't look like Dante.

Heck, even if they said it was a prequel and it was a much much younger Dante, it still doesn't look like a younger Dante.

They have no idea how franchise characters and their looks, even when revamping and making a new game, the main franchise characters must always look the same, or they kill the franchise. It would be like if Nintendo changed Mario's look and said that he isn't Italian plumber anymore, and is now an Mexican dentist and he will be a Mexican dentist wearing a sombrero from here on out. Granted that Mario is a much much larger franchise, and people would riot and tear down Nintendo headquarters if that happened, but it would be of the same stupidity that Capcom is showing with this "New look" for Dante.

Franchise characters are a big thing and are a large chunk of sales. Capcom would be nuts to think this new game with a new look could make any money compared to the true franchise look. Brand look/recognition is everything. Most people new to the series aren't going to pick it up since it has 5 at the end and don't want to get in the middle of something that they would have to go back and play all the rest of the games, and a vast majority of fans of the proper franchise look will not buy it because it doesn't look right.

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Adam Jensen said:
Also last time capcom uttered a word, they declared this to be an alternate universe or some such. Looks like even they realized that this was starting to sound like a bad move.
Then it is rather stupid that they are calling it Devil May 5. If it is alternate universe than it is a new franchise altogether.

Why not call it Devil May Cry: Alternate, or Devil May Cry: New Beginnings, or DMC: New Universe DMC:NU for short.

The five will make new people think it belongs with the other four games.
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With how stupid and awful Capcom has been getting with it's games and ideas, I think it is time they just went away or somebody buys them out and guts out all the morons that seem to be running the company.
 

l3o2828

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I'm prtobably the only one that thinks Dante looks like the everyday brown game protagonist, It's not nice to look at.
There's one thing about the older Dante's design that actually fits the crazy metal anime feeling of the game, new Dante just looks like a pussy.
 

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What the hell? Why is this even called Devil May Cry. Just get a new fucking IP, Ninja. There'd be less whining.
 

Versuvius

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Anyone else think the new Dante looks like a cross between Jensen and the protagonist from Painkiller who has been shaved?
 

ProtoChimp

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I guess the fact that I've never played a DMC game before makes me actually excited for this. I can see the girl being a contrived bullshit excuse to have a helper in though who probably dies. And who is Dante's voice, his look makes and voice me think it's a 20 year olds Nolan North, cos I ain't ever seen him voice someone for with long hair.
 

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The Pinray said:
I'll remain hopeful. I'm treating old Dante and new Dante as two different people. We'll just have to see when it drops.

Lots of people clamored about the new Castlevania game and I absolutely loved it.
CastleVania is a bit different, Every game had a new character, so it wasn't a huge deal. Devil May Cry, Dante is the progonist of all the Devil May Cry games. It is like making a Zelda where instead of Link being a girl-like Elf guy, he would be a character that would resemble the Prince of Persia. It just wouldn't work
 

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I will give these trailers one thing, the music. Or at least the combat trailer, being a Combichrist fan makes me give them props on using 'Never Surrender' in a video where it works. Too bad they didn't use 'Never Surrender(Remix by MELT)' rather than the original since the remix is so much better.

Still not liking the new look.
 

DracoSuave

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Nightmarish platform elements with a dynamic changing level that expresses its hate for you?

That's probably worth discussing NO WE CAN'T DANTE HAS A HAIRCUT.

People take DMC way too seriously. As in, they take it seriously at all.
 

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I love how random pieces of masonry insult you along the way. Also that platform that keeps moving away with camera tilting left/right at the end of the first video is really impressive (if a bit nauseating). I foresee many motion sickness warnings :D
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
Even if every fan was hating on the platform design when Dante's trying to escape the buildings.. I must say that was seriously legit. Looks epic, amazing, and I loved how they made it look like the world was out to get you.

Except my only complaint was that they never seemed like a threat. I wish there were buildings almost crushing you or you'd get hurt a bit to actually think, "Oh crap, the buildings ARE able to kill me. Best to avoid- CRAP barely dodged that spiked building."

Also I miss Dante's look. His new one in this game makes me sort of frown, but... heck, it's trying to do something new so props to it. If every character stayed the same for generations then it'd get boring honestly. Glad it's mixed up especially considering the past to be the case.
What's this? A rational opinion? About the new Devil May Cry? Are you sure you're a human?

Honestly, the only thing I can say in response to all of the "IT LOOKS SO BORING" and "I HATE THE NEW DANTE" comments (going even so far as to passive aggressively hate on the new aesthetic? DEVIL MAY CRY WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE "SCARY"! The first one was about as "scary" as it ever got, 3 and 4 were basically weird carnival rides and even "fans" consider 2 to be absolute crap. But Dante looked like Dante in that one, so what's your excuse?) is this:



Also, most console games these days run at 30 FPS anyway. I bought Arkham City for the PS3 on release and played through it, and I've recently been going through the PC version and I can definitely feel the difference between the 30 FPS cap and 60 FPS. However, I don't really believe that a 30 FPS cap would render the game unplayable. It could certainly account for why people are thinking the combat looks slower, though.

Oh, actually, one more thing.

How is this:


Not any worse than this:


If this were any other game series in existence (see: Metal Gear Solid), the first image would be shouted off by fans for the character to go back to whatever jRPG he crawled out of. If they hadn't called him "Dante", would any of you actually have an issue with the character? Yes, fine, he doesn't look exactly like old Dante. But how does that automatically ruin the game? Michael Gambon doesn't look exactly like Richard Harris, but that didn't exactly ruin the Harry Potter movies, now did it?

Sonic Doctor said:
Then it is rather stupid that they are calling it Devil May 5. If it is alternate universe than it is a new franchise altogether.

Why not call it Devil May Cry: Alternate, or Devil May Cry: New Beginnings, or DMC: New Universe DMC:NU for short.

The five will make new people think it belongs with the other four games.
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With how stupid and awful Capcom has been getting with it's games and ideas, I think it is time they just went away or somebody buys them out and guts out all the morons that seem to be running the company.
They're not calling it Devil May Cry 5. In fact, I don't think they have even released an official title for it. It's being called "DmC: Devil May Cry". I think that fits quite nicely into your alternate title bracket. And Capcom has always been stupid and awful with ideas, just making fairly silly and solid games out of them. Resident Evil is one of their most-grounded-in-serious titles, and even that is silly and over-the-top. You can't tell me that Megaman, Darkstalkers, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Marvel vs. Capcom (which had Phoenix Wright of all characters added to it), Dino Crisis, Monster Hunter, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Bionic Commando, Ghosts N' Goblins, and Viewtiful Joe are actually meant to not be silly and over-the-top franchises?

Ugh. I told myself the last time a DmC trailer popped up that I was going to just ignore all of the future ones. I'm going to hold true to that this time because nothing is going to make the stubborn "fans" think that the franchise isn't ruined FOREVER!!!!! [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuinedFOREVER]
 

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I really don't understand the hate.

It looks stylish and fresh, they HAVE announced it is not within the same universe and kinda serves has a prequel, the movement and combat seems fluid and cool.

So the teenage dante has a punk look. That's the reason why you hate this.... really?... either people have weird standarts or they are really
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LilithSlave

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I'm perfectly happy with the new Dante. I guess I miss grey, long hair a little. But I can get over it.
 
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I like how half the people don't know it is supposed to be set in a different universe and serves as an alternate origin story to DMC. Anyway the only problem I have with the new character is the whole Angel/Demon thing and as I do know it is a retcon it just doesn't seem to fit in the general theme of the universe to me.

Combat wise while I am not happy about the 30FPS limit it won't make the game unplayable just slow and sluggish which isn't exactly a good thing. I am also not liking the idea of the new Devil Trigger where you need to stay airborne and whole move towards a Nero style combat. I was kinda hoping that would stay unique to Nero and let Dante have his own style.

Although you have to love people complaining about fans and bringing up an argument/opinion they like as someone having sense on the internet. I'm sure no one here has ever complained about new editions to a series except it was completely justified. The fans are the bread and butter of something it does not make sense to alienate the people who otherwise will buy. Whether or not this does this remains to be seen but that should be noted.
 

Kenjitsuka

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The world looks awesome, freakishly moving like that!
Dante, however, looks like a mega twat; puke!!! :(
 

iLazy

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That is one angry floor! Did somebody not get it's second coat of wax~?

So after thinking about this, even though I don't like Dante's new design, I will give it a try and buy this game. Can't judge a book by it's cover! Right?
 
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We like things because of a feel. How is CoD different than BF? A lot of you will cite reasons, but at the root of it... each game just has a different feel to you. That's not wrong. Liking and supporting something is based on opinion. Facts are what you use to justify to someone else why you do. But your gut tells you this one or that one.

When I look at this Dante, I feel like I'm looking at the Chinese rip-off of it (too soon?). When I look at the combat and don't see a ranking system... I don't know WHY I won't just spam one move that will do the job. Yes, it was fun to do insane weapon switch combos in 3, but most importantly my style meter went up. The game was rewarding me for being bad ass. Now, it feels like the game is ignoring me because I look like a prat.

Lastly, those people complaining about us not liking the look of the new Dante and how we need to get over ourselves... I agree. Why don't you show us the way by going outside, finding what you consider an unattractive member of the gender of your persuasion, and start lusting after that person because it shouldn't matter what they look like.
 

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I honestly can't tell the difference between the 30 FPS and 60 FPS.

You know, just once, I'd like to see enemies permanently crippled if not dead when a sword goes RIGHT THROUGH THEIR BODY ONCE.
 

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I'm not a huge DMC fan but I do enjoy the series. I'll be keeping an eye out on this. I'm rather fond of Dante's original style and am ambiguous to this new one but, ultimately, it's the combat that's going to decide things for me. If they manage to add a great story to it, even better.

I just feel this new Dante lacks visual character. Hate him or not, you can spot the old Dante a mile away. Same thing with any iconic character. It's not just familiarity but also identifying traits. This guy looks like an average joe, and that's fine, but Dante is not an average joe.
 

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Totally going against the stream on this one. I like the new design, and I honestly couldn't care less about the framerate. The game looks good enough for me. I also dig the more varied aerial combos. We should all try to return to the days of child-like wonder when we first discovered in DMC 1 that you could toss enemies into the air and shoot to keep them airborne. How cool was that?

EDIT- Reading through the thread properly, I noticed a 50-50 between haters and lovers. Guess my "going against the stream" comment was a bit uncalled for.