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CaitSeith said:
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Most people just didn't see it for the overrated game it was.
That's a pleonasm, and a shitty one. Overrated isn't game criticism, it's people criticism: people enjoy this game too much. That's completely arrogant.
No, you're just being obtuse. People say it to mean that the game is shit, and the comment you just quoted is a perfect example. We still see plenty of people who hate criticism of entertainment because they see it extending to themselves, don't add to that please.
 

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Daggerfall is still one of my favourite games (way better than Morrowind in my opinion) but it looks like trash
i hate to admit it but you are right on every count there, i still remember being amazing at how expansive the world was..still is but yeah it looks like a dumpster fire.. but a dumpster fire has better graphics

*pats daggerfall* shh shh its ok pookie still loves you
And the 2D models rotating to try and make it look 3D... Every temple had topless women... Maps sometimes wouldnt generate properly... breaking quests with realising it...
Still it was an incredible game
 

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Jade Empire....which is really sad cause story and conversation wise it was as profound and epic an experience as kotor and dragon age origins. God I miss classic bioware....mass effect andromeda is probably going to be basic beyond belief
 

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Going to second the controls issue, hard to go back to old clunky interfaces.

Oh, and Duke Nukem 3D. Though, not convinced that was a good game, it was Doom with worse level design and some odd gimmicks thrown in, one of which was being "mature". In retrospect, it was not.
 

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Being revolutionary doesn't make something good, even in its time.
This reminds me of when I did some research on the first 1st person shooter with both on-foot and vehicles (some guy was saying it was Halo; I had a good laugh and then did some research)

Turns out it was The Terminator for Dos (1990; No, FPS didn't start with Wolfenstein, either).
Was that game revolutionary for tying together FPS and both on foot, vehicles, and even the open sandbox? Maybe
Was it any good? Hahahahahaha. NO.
 

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Everything from the N64/PS1 era.
Actually I find some of these games age better than many newer ones. Basically though it's the ones with fixed cameras that do the best. Legend of Mana still looks beautiful to me. Despite there being a much newer remake, Oddworld still looks great. Even Wild ARMs, Lunar, Suikoden, and all of those age very well, but this is largely due to them not being 3D or at least not completely (battles are in Wild ARMs) though even some with more 3D look nice like Jade Cocoon (granted it's pre-rendered backgrounds with 3D sprites).
 

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I've recently been re-playing Warlords Battlecry II courtesy of GOG, and it's still fun, but the glaring inadequacies of the AI- both unit and enemy player- stand out more to me now than they did the first time I played it. And the ability of computer players to multi-task a sprawling base make me feel less embarrassed to exploit those inadequacies. But the tendency of units to stand in place and allow themselves to be shot to death because they can't reach their attacker- or to fail to react because something is repeatedly shooting them from just outside their visual or missile range, despite every shot coming from the same direction- really begins to pall, after a while.
I still maintain that WBC2 is the best strategy game ever made. For all it's flaws I go back to it yearly at least.

OT: I'm struggling to think of many, because I don't play too many games post-mid 2000's, but one game I struggle to play now but loved as a kid was the NES port of Operation Wolf.
 

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Nazulu said:
CaitSeith said:
Ezekiel said:
Most people just didn't see it for the overrated game it was.
That's a pleonasm, and a shitty one. Overrated isn't game criticism, it's people criticism: people enjoy this game too much. That's completely arrogant.
No, you're just being obtuse. People say it to mean that the game is shit, and the comment you just quoted is a perfect example. We still see plenty of people who hate criticism of entertainment because they see it extending to themselves, don't add to that please.
The only reason a game is called overrated is because he doesn't like it to be popular. The game's quality is secondary; it could be good, mediocre or bad. That's irrelevant, because if the game wasn't popular, if people didn't praise it, it wouldn't be overrated anymore (even if the game itself didn't change)

tl;dr: If a game is shit, call it shit. Overrated says nothing about the game.
 

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CaitSeith said:
Nazulu said:
CaitSeith said:
Ezekiel said:
Most people just didn't see it for the overrated game it was.
That's a pleonasm, and a shitty one. Overrated isn't game criticism, it's people criticism: people enjoy this game too much. That's completely arrogant.
No, you're just being obtuse. People say it to mean that the game is shit, and the comment you just quoted is a perfect example. We still see plenty of people who hate criticism of entertainment because they see it extending to themselves, don't add to that please.
The only reason a game is called overrated is because he doesn't like it to be popular. The game's quality is secondary; it could be good, mediocre or bad. That's irrelevant, because if the game wasn't popular, if people didn't praise it, it wouldn't be overrated anymore (even if the game itself didn't change)

tl;dr: If a game is shit, call it shit. Overrated says nothing about the game.
No, you're putting words in their mouth, they mostly say it to mean average or shit. Of course it is used only for popular games, but all it means is it isn't as great as it was made out to be. It really is no different, and I really can't understand why you are trying to make it so.

Also, if you just call a game shit, it's still doesn't say much (and will still piss people off), as little as saying as it's over-rated. It's always preferable that they explain why, which should be the only focus on their post (not which words rub people the wrong way).
 

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Nazulu said:
CaitSeith said:
The only reason a game is called overrated is because he doesn't like it to be popular. The game's quality is secondary; it could be good, mediocre or bad. That's irrelevant, because if the game wasn't popular, if people didn't praise it, it wouldn't be overrated anymore (even if the game itself didn't change)

tl;dr: If a game is shit, call it shit. Overrated says nothing about the game.
No, you're putting words in their mouth, they mostly say it to mean average or shit. Of course it is used only for popular games, but all it means is it isn't as great as it was made out to be. It really is no different, and I really can't understand why you are trying to make it so.

Also, if you just call a game shit, it's still doesn't say much (and will still piss people off), as little as saying as it's over-rated. It's always preferable that they explain why, which should be the only focus on their post (not which words rub people the wrong way).
Yes, both shit and overrated don't say much about the game. But overrated imply a lot of people praise the game more than they should. It takes an external factor (other people) to criticise the game. In some sense it's similar to games not aging well: an external factor (development of better visuals, more responsive controls, better level design, better gameplay, better story, etc.) pushed up the quality standards so far up that the game can't hold its place in the scale. But at least aging compares against other games for criticism. Overrated criticise the game based mainly on other people's opinions.

EDIT: Bad quote block.
 

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Chrono Cross for me. It's not that it's bad, it's just that I never played it when it first came out and playing it now means it feels lacking since so many of the things that it did that were new and interesting at the time have become standards that have been further improved upon, making it feel very archaic.

To all the people saying Playstation and N64 games don't hold up, I think you really need to stop looking at graphics or at least stop looking at the games that were going for a realistic look back then. Games like Spyro, Rayman 2, Ogre Battle 64, and others still feel good to play despite visual faults.
 

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I hear System Shock was quite incredible when it came out 20+ years ago, but it definitely isn't anymore. I just tried playing it for the the first time a couple days ago, and whoo-boy. After 20 years, those controls have aged about as well as milk from the same year.
 

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CaitSeith said:
Nazulu said:
CaitSeith said:
The only reason a game is called overrated is because he doesn't like it to be popular. The game's quality is secondary; it could be good, mediocre or bad. That's irrelevant, because if the game wasn't popular, if people didn't praise it, it wouldn't be overrated anymore (even if the game itself didn't change)

tl;dr: If a game is shit, call it shit. Overrated says nothing about the game.
No, you're putting words in their mouth, they mostly say it to mean average or shit. Of course it is used only for popular games, but all it means is it isn't as great as it was made out to be. It really is no different, and I really can't understand why you are trying to make it so.

Also, if you just call a game shit, it's still doesn't say much (and will still piss people off), as little as saying as it's over-rated. It's always preferable that they explain why, which should be the only focus on their post (not which words rub people the wrong way).
Yes, both shit and overrated don't say much about the game. But overrated imply a lot of people praise the game more than they should. It takes an external factor (other people) to criticise the game. In some sense it's similar to games not aging well: an external factor (development of better visuals, more responsive controls, better level design, better gameplay, better story, etc.) pushed up the quality standards so far up that the game can't hold its place in the scale. But at least aging compares against other games for criticism. Overrated criticise the game based mainly on other people's opinions.
I reckon you're reading too much into it mate. I guarantee you most just mean the game isn't as good as the scores say, being a word for just that. And even if someone is actually using it to criticise the people instead, do you really think they're gonna give a shit about what you think of them? Don't go around dictating peoples choice of words, because it won't get you far and your assumptions are wrong.
 

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Ezekiel said:
Nothing. Games don't "age". What was good then will always be good and what was bad then will always be bad.

N64 and PS1 games don't magically look worse over time. I always knew their graphics were simple.

If I can no longer appreciate a game, it's because my standards were lower back then. Everything or Nothing was never good. I just didn't know better.
Gotta second this. If I truly loved a game, I can still enjoy it nearly as much now. And as far as standards are concerned... yeah there were games that were "I just didn't know better" but in a lot of ways the pitiful state of modern gaming has actually lowered standards in some categories. Making me able to appreciate retro gaming the superior in many ways classics even more sometimes.
 

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Nazulu said:
If someone says "duck" and points towards a "chicken", I'm going to point out "that's not a duck". If that's dictating words choice for you, so be it.
 

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If someone says "duck" and points towards a "chicken", I'm going to point out "that's not a duck". If that's dictating words choice for you, so be it.
It's more someone saying ******, and you calling them racist for saying it when it should only be about the context. Your personal grievance with the word just makes you look sensitive. It's a really pointless crusade your on, but whatever. If you must.

OT: I probably should be more in topic :p

The classic character models in Final Fantasy 7 bother my eyes a little now, but they still have charm. Same with a lot of N64 titles, but I can adjust. The old Tomb Raider games though, now those models looking fugly. They play alright if you have the patience, but none of their retro magic is effecting me anymore.
 

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The classic character models in Final Fantasy 7 bother my eyes a little now, but they still have charm. Same with a lot of N64 titles, but I can adjust. The old Tomb Raider games though, now those models looking fugly. They play alright if you have the patience, but none of their retro magic is effecting me anymore.
Yeah, FF7 still retain some charm. But when they aimed for more realistic models like FF8, they don't look as good.