Zenn3k said:
So selling AS many consoles as a 7 year old console that likely most of the people who purchased the WiiU already own is consider a WIN? Thats setting the bar REALLY low. Let's remove the rose glasses and be real, the WiiU is failing very hard right now.
You obviously misunderstood my point. Let me try and explain it again:
The total sales of the Wii U's first 7 months on the market are roughly the same as the totals sales of the 360's first 7 months on the market, and from what I understand, a good sight better than the PS3's total sales after 7 months on the market.
This is
without the Wii U getting much in the way of first party games, which are Nintendo's main selling point. We can therefore assume that once Nintendo games are released, there will be a large increase in sales.
If the Wii U has had a bad launch, then so has every console of the last 8 years except the Wii. Sure the 360 and PS3 are outselling it now. The PS3 was getting outsold by the PS2 for the first year or two of its life. Old consoles have more games, cost less, and are therefore a better proposition for most people than new consoles which are more expensive and have comparitively fewer games.
Sure, lots of casuals and families with small kids have a Wii and have a few games for it, awesome! Do any of those families feel the need to upgrade to a WiiU? Doesn't appear to be the case, Nintendo itself has said this has been its biggest problem...the vast majority of the families who own a Wii aren't upgrading, they are happy with the Wii they already have.
When Christmas rolls around, parents will be looking for a new console for the kids as a present. They will want something affordable and family friendly. Are they going to purchase the more expensive consoles that have almost nothing but gritty shooters and charge for online? Or are they going to buy the cheaper console which plays the latest Mario, Donkey Kong, and Sonic games? As well as Nintendo Land, NSMBU, Pikmin 3 and Rayman Legends?
Sony pull out? After THAT E3 showing? Not bloody likely.
Sadly, Sony's financials don't rise and fall depending on their E3 showings. Their financials depend on things like how well their TVs are selling... and they've been losing money as a company for years. You realise that just last year, they had to sell their own American HQ in order to cook the books and make it look like they had turned a profit? Without that sale, they'd have posted another annual loss of hundreds of millions. Their credit has been downgraded to 'junk' by ratings agencies.
Sony is not doing well financially. The PS3 and Vita burned through all the cash they had saved up from the PS2 days, and unless they make a drastic turnaround, they're looking at some grim times ahead.
Nintendo has got, depending on who you ask, somewhere between $10-15 billion saved up in the bank. That's not assets or net worth. That's the amount of
cash they've got sitting in the bank ready to be spent. Between ten and fifteen billion in pure spending money. They are
not leaving the industry anytime soon.
I don't think its ludicrous to want Zelda and such on a console I actually WANT to own.
Entitled then?
I suppose I'll just skip this generation of Nintendo games, at least until the WiiU drops to $99 or something reasonable that I can treat it like a near disposable "toy" as Nintendo wants their games and consoles to be toys after all (nothing wrong with that, but its too expensive to be a toy)
Fair enough, but you're going to miss out on some truly great games. Miyamoto is claiming that Pikmin 3 is one of the games he's most proud of, and the Pikmin games have traditionally been
damn good games. Platinum are making W101 and Bayonetta 2, which look nothing less than exceptional. There's X on the horizon, the successor to one of the greatest RPGs of the last ten years.
If you feel you can happily sit out on games like that, then have fun...
As I said, I'd love to play their new games, but I'm not buying another console that'll end up rotting in a box for years to play them, which is what happened to my Wii, because after the 1st party titles, there was nothing left to play on the system. Maybe when the console drops a ton in price I'll pick it up. If Nintendo really wanted to sell me on their console, they'd make a GOOD new Metroid game, not that "Other M" garbage. Metroid is one of my favorite series of all time, and there hasn't been a really good one since the first Prime, which was outstanding, but that was a Gamecube game.