Jimquisition: Previewed, Preordered, Prescrewed
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I was going to pre-order Bioshock Infinite this week but I've been hearing the final game is far more mechanical and "gamey" than the previews and past showings have demonstrated so probably a good idea to not blindly purchase it on faith now. I'm sure it will be fine but you really can't trust any studio anymore, except maybe Valve.
I am not going to stop preordering games. I don't preorder AAA games like Halo, Call of Duty of Final Fantasy titles. Those games I know I can get on discount 3 months later. I typically only preorder games that are of niche interest. That way I can pay a reasonable price for it and not get screwed later on.
I dunno, I mean I'd feel kind of hypocritical to be pro-crowdfunding & anti-preorder. I'm really not that difficult to please either.
I guess I can be anti-preorder on the grounds that I never buy initial releases. I always hold out until a GOTYE is released, or wait a year & a half for expansions & DLC price drops for those that don't get them.
Well, I would have preordered Carmageddon:Reincarnation if I'd known about it before the Kickstarter ended. I mean...How can you possibly f**k up Carmageddon?
I guess I can be anti-preorder on the grounds that I never buy initial releases. I always hold out until a GOTYE is released, or wait a year & a half for expansions & DLC price drops for those that don't get them.
Well, I would have preordered Carmageddon:Reincarnation if I'd known about it before the Kickstarter ended. I mean...How can you possibly f**k up Carmageddon?
I only pre order collectors editions....whats the point otherwise?
I would have bought/played it regardless of how good/bad it was, the difference here being that I'd go in without any pre conceived Ideas so I oculd make up my own mind...rather than have the game "ruined" for me I'd rather ruin it myself
so you wouldnt have played it had you known about the ending?Saviordd1 said:
I would have bought/played it regardless of how good/bad it was, the difference here being that I'd go in without any pre conceived Ideas so I oculd make up my own mind...rather than have the game "ruined" for me I'd rather ruin it myself
Oh, wow. You came here with a heart full of emotions and a brain full of words, it seems.mfeff said:The blame here, lies squarely on the feet of the developer and the serious lack of investment into the work presented. Tantamount to fraud, with no legal ramifications due to the nature of the software industry.
A craftsman or engineer would be severely reprimanded if not dismissed or brought liable for this sort of product...
Being it is a game game, fuck em; thanks for the new Ferrari. Hell even toy manufacturers are held to standards.
Reserves? "Jazz Hands!"
Awesome post, though. So awesome I found myself just skipping over and stop autocorrecting the spelling mistakes, instantly feeling stupid for being a part-time grammar nazi.
Yep, I agree with you that the state of the industry is worrying and troublesome, to say the least. Guaranteed sales are no warranty for proper funding and well-made games, it seems. I've seen pretty much the same issues pop up for a while since we all went 3D, FPS and obviously loving it. Autodesk must be making a fortune off the games industry. People that program virtual trees got a sale because, as it seems, Bethesda wasn't happy with what they got and they could't figure it out themselves before they were supposed to ship Fallout 3. Imagine that. Licensed trees.
The whole Alien conundrum is, methinks, not easily wrapped up, but I believe I see certain similarities of the 'horse meat scandal' that seems to have a firm grip over major European countries and big-name, big-money food companies and the 'utterly shite games non-scandal' state of affairs. We're bound to (want to) trust big names (Findus, Aldi, EA, Activision), but the bigger they get, the more important streamlined everything gets for them, to keep a tab on costs and TCO and ROI and whatnot. Findus does not seem to entertain fisheries, slaughterhouses, farms and crops. EA seems to buy and corrupt everything and everyone. Gearbox, although I thought they were much, much smaller, has obviously gone fully decadent and has outsourced development of a big-name franchise title that was ordered and paid for by SEGA, and Gearbox was either incapable, too busy or plain not interested in delivering what they sold upfront. Maybe they just wanted to stick it to the man and cause SEGA to sit on the massive turd that is A:CM. Maybe SEGA were cheapskates and Gearbox just couldn't be bothered.
They cheated and lied, and the crap they sold us is not worth any real time or money from average gamers, and it's bound to emotionally impact fans of the series in a very negative way. Aliens: Colonial Marines is cancer, ADD, depression and smallpox all rolled into one. It's a bad one.
I like your little bit about the Bushmaster M98B. I like the story, genesis, history of how it came to be. It took inspiration and dedication and significant risk taking to get this thing made, not just dreamed about. However, consider this: Currently, I don't believe important technological bits like Betamax or Laserdisc could happen in our current economical climate. Sony must prevail, one way or another, but I must admit that I haven't even bought so much as Sony TV for at least a decade, after pretty much twenty years of brand loyalty. I love my PS3, but from the top of my head, I can't think of a Sony developed or Sony funded title that really blew my mind lately. Was Journey funded by Sony? If yes, that's the one. The Sony party brawl thing - I haven't even played it once up to this point in time, and that can't possibly be a good sign.
I got a heavy disconnect with EA going on, I ignore most of the shit Activision cranks out. From ten to twenty games bought per year I went down to... three to four titles a year. Everything else just makes me happier with less money, and most of the additional time I spend outside, with or without other people, seems so much more important and precious to me. Driving a car, skinning deer, burying a dog and teaching a new puppy new tricks and laying down the general rules of how not be an asshole seems so much more satisfying than playing crap games and even paying money for them.
Yeah, I like Ni No Kuni. But I just can't be arsed to spend weekend after weekend dumping hours into it. I'll finish it, but I am much more likely to dump another hundred or so hours into Dark Souls, over the course of the months to come.
Oh, hey, people that hollered for an easy mode Dark Souls - get yourself Ni No Kuni. That's Dark Souls light, with Pokemons, Tamagotchis, plenty of pink and cute. And you can still die if you're thick. Oh, and you can save shit. Should tingle your easy-mode-loving fancy. Enjoy.
.....This is probably the worst place to put this, but you've really made me want to pre-order Bioshock:Infinite now.mike1921 said:http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/shooter/bioshock-infinite-na/Saviordd1 said:Mass Effect 3 is what got me out of preordering games, this just confirms it for more people.
I honestly hope people take this to heart and don't preorder games based on previews or brand recogn....
So much for that idea.
$10-$17 off for preordering. I think Jim and TB both neglected to say anything that really would always be against pre ordering a game for an actually tangible and significant benefit (It's so fucking rare a preorder bonus is significant they can't be blamed). For context: aliens pre-order came with fucking multiplayer skins. And it's from gearbox, who to my knowledge were heavily involved in duke nukem forever.
It's a risk versus reward scenario: In aliens the potential reward was fucking tiny and the risk was this scenario playing out right now.
Also, I can't help but feel the gaming industry's long-term ideas is to keep coming up with nee bullshit to screw us over... And if the gaming industry falls... "Fuck it, we got the money." That's the feeling I get, this business is run by people who genuinely do not CARE about the industry, and that's just sad.
I see many people here saying that they will or have only pre-ordered a game they knew they would like. My question to these people is: How did/do you know?
Harker067 said:
you know what? one day game dev x is going to make a game that doesnt reach your expectations, then you'll be here screaming away on the forums about how game dev x killed your dog and sold your grandma into prostitutionvxicepickxv said:
This is why I don't buy anything unless it's been out for a while. Also, where does one get a dildo bat?
We-elll, in the case of Halo:CE Anniversary Edition, because it was already one of my favourite games ever (and the exploding grunts skull was too awesome to pass up). Though I'm guessing that one doesn't really count, since it was technically just a re-release with a texture mod and a shiny new case. That said, I'd never actually bought the original.jdogtwodolla said:
Mass Effect 2 and 3. (Yes I know, touchy subject.) Pre-ordered the Limited Edition in both cases. I didn't know they were going to be awesome. However, I knew that I was going to end up playing them anyway, and I was already invested in the series in both cases. For ME2, it was only the second Bioware game I'd ever played - but I knew and trusted their reputation. Was there a risk? Yes. Was I disappointed? No. Not in either case. (Lets not get into a discussion about the ending.)
Other than that? DX:HR I pre-ordered on the basis of an awesome trailer, a brilliant soundtrack, the promise of an intriguing storyline, and a gameplay demonstration of an early level. And a desire for a silenced sniper-rifle. And, again, I was not disappointed... mostly (until the story lost its way for the last two hours or so...) I actually came out ahead with this pre-order - I paid for the Augmented version. Game.co.uk had too many pre-orders, and upgraded me to the Collector's Edition at no extra cost...
And I think that's the sum total of my pre-orders. All in all, I'd agree that pre-order is a risk, and should only be done with caution. But it's a good way of throwing an extra bit of support behind a game that you know you're going to pick up anyway.
I say leave people be when it comes to pre orders.
The less people pre ordering games, the more pre order 'incentives' (aka cut content sold separately) there will be.
The less people pre ordering games, the more pre order 'incentives' (aka cut content sold separately) there will be.
It's this kinda of shit that has me convinced that the game industry is no longer worth my time or what little money I don't have.
Or not... I honestly can't remember the last time a game not hitting my expectations made me through a fit. I can't say I've ranted on escapist about any of my frustrations either I tend to avoid those threads. My pre-ordering is more about my appreciation of games past then about expectations about future games.Vault101 said: