McDonald's incident

[Radoh]

They deserved to be beaten with a metal rod? That's too much for me to believe they deserved it. Honestly, that's a whole lot of violence to have "deserved it" in my book.
Then again, almost any amount of violence is too much for me so...

lol, this is even more appropriate given your Fluttershy avatar xD

Are you trying to say that Fluttershy wouldn't, as they say, "smack a hoe"?

Fluttershy wrestles with bears

Now now, you're selling her short. Not only does she wrestle bears, she also: Made an Adult Dragon cry, stared down a Cockatrice and survived, waltzed into a Hydra's den do drop off some frogs, caused a riot in Canterlot, caused a riot in Ponyville, tamed a Manticore, and stole the Princess's pet Phoenix.

 

[Craorach]

So because someone argues with me and slaps me the majority thinks I am in the right to knock them to the ground with a metal bar? Everyone deserves the sentence they received, it seems.

You don't see the difference between "argue and slap" and "jump the counter and chase after someone in their place of work"?

 

[XT inc]

I think the first couple of smack were warrented, depending on their placement. I mean what is the protocol for random person jumping over the counter after being hit in the face.

Is there no just way to beat ass anymore, when did it become official to lay down and wait for the cops to show up?

That dude went way overkill, and that is just with the hopefull assumption that it was only like a light aluminum pole and not a heavy steel pipe. Things could only have gotten worse if they had made it back into the kitchen with all the hot stuff.

 

[scorptatious]

Geez. I don't know who to side with here.

On one hand, those two shouldn't have got behind the counter and assaulted him. On the other hand, the cashier shouldn't have beaten them while they were still down.

I guess it's a good thing both parties were charged.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

start as an act of self-defense

It was never self-defense. These people were not a threat to him and even if they were, you can't claim self-defense with a deadly weapon (such as a metal rod) unless they're equally armed. That's the law in Massachusetts, but regardless of where this is, he threw the self-defense idea out the window when he continued to beat her. He'll probably still get anger management, but he's going to go to those lessons via prison transport. You don't assault someone with a deadly weapon multiple times and not get thrown in jail because the person you were striking pissed you off. The world doesn't work that way.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Given the sound the bar made, it obviously wasn't very heavy, so the beating probably looks much worse than it was, but that was still overkill.

Honestly though, those women had no right to get aggressive at all. If the authenticity of a bill is called into question, that doesn't make it your fault it's counterfeit, it just makes it counterfeit, and jumping over the counter to assault the man saying it's counterfeit calls all kinds of questions up. For example: Why did you react so violently if you knew the bill was authentic?

It would have been much easier to ask for the manager, but instead they jump the counter and assault the cashier? One of two things happened here.
A) It really was counterfeit, they knew it, and wanted to get it back so as not to be charged with counterfeiting/knowingly possessing counterfeit money.
B) They, too, have serious mental problems and their first instinct after being told their money was no good, as it was fake, was to try and beat the cashier into believing otherwise.

Either way, they got what they deserved.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

So because someone argues with me and slaps me the majority thinks I am in the right to knock them to the ground with a metal bar? Everyone deserves the sentence they received, it seems.

You don't see the difference between "argue and slap" and "jump the counter and chase after someone in their place of work"?

And you don't see anything wrong with his response to that being 'beat this woman to a bloody pulp with a large metal rod that could possibly kill her?'

 

[Thaluikhain]

An alpha would probably rallied two or three persons and then each of them grab one limb of Mr. Metal Rod batshitcrazy Beatdown guy and the whole incident would have been over much much smoother

Erm...various police forces across the world are extensively trained and equipped to work in groups to take down sole vioent offenders, because getting hit in the face just once with a metal bar can ruin your whole day. A few months ago there was posted here a video of just one guy with a knife in the UK keeping a whole bunch of police at bay.

Now, I'd not want to accuse Maccas of cutting budgets or anything, but I'm not sure if they ensure training and equipment to take down violent staff, or if "tackling co-workers who've already killed when armed with metal bars" if part of the job description.

 

[Torrasque]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

Considering one of them jumped over the counter in pursuit, and the other walked around the counter, I don't think he could have walked away if he wanted to.

 

[Zerazar]

Bitches deserved it, no doubt. Question is whether he should be allowed in public, which really comes down to how exactly he did things (didn't watch video).

 

[WeAreStevo]

I'm surprised the worker got in more trouble than the girls. THEY initiated the incident, and while the worker may have been a tad overzealous with a metal bar, they did chase him behind the counter.

American justice system aside, he DID beat them with a metal rod, while they just slapped him and were being dicks.
I am by no means defending the girls, but it seems he got what was expected.
I just hope the girls get punished severely for inciting the incident.

I agree that the metal bar may have been overkill, but they DID escalate the situation by jumping over the counter and pursuing the man. For all he knew, they could have had a weapon and were chasing him down to do bodily harm. I'm not necessarily defending him, as once he hit them and they were down that should have been enough. Once was in self defense, but once they were already down continuing the assault is just that, assault.

I think that they played an equal part in this incident and are by no means innocent. I hope they get charged. They deserve that (the metal pole, not so much).

 

[Lolth17]

Luckily the law does not agree with the internet. Using a deadly weapon against an unarmed opponent is very, very much illegal, and I sincerely hope he gets locked up and the key thrown far, far away.

 

[Darius Brogan]

start as an act of self-defense

It was never self-defense. These people were not a threat to him and even if they were, you can't claim self-defense with a deadly weapon (such as a metal rod) unless they're equally armed. That's the law in Massachusetts, but regardless of where this is, he threw the self-defense idea out the window when he continued to beat her. He'll probably still get anger management, but he's going to go to those lessons via prison transport. You don't assault someone with a deadly weapon multiple times and not get thrown in jail because the person you were striking pissed you off. The world doesn't work that way.

It was never self defense? In what way? He obviously tried to walk away. They obviously intended to prevent that, and assaulted him. Regardless of whether or not they were using deadly weapons, they assaulted the man with the intent of causing bodily harm. When he fought back, it was self defense. The fact that he got carried away is directly related to his prior anger management issues.

The simple fact that he tried to walk away is evidence enough that he was attempting to avoid physical conflict, and these women wouldn't let him walk away. His reaction is perfectly understandable given his mental stability, and the situation at hand.

 

[Torrasque]

Geez. I don't know who to side with here.

On one hand, those two shouldn't have got behind the counter and assaulted him. On the other hand, the cashier shouldn't have beaten them while they were still down.

I guess it's a good thing both parties were charged.

I never said you had to take sides, in situations like this it is probably best to pick no sides.
As I have said several times, and as others have said, the guy over reacted and is not blameless, but the women pushed him over the edge and incited the incident. That being said, they didn't deserve all the smacks with the metal rod that they received... maybe 4 each?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

Considering one of them jumped over the counter in pursuit, and the other walked around the counter, I don't think he could have walked away if he wanted to.

There are at least 5 people back there, a manager, a phone to call the cops and at least one door. I'm pretty sure he could have got that ***** away from him without hitting her if he really wanted to.

 

[Whytewulf]

I agree with this mostly. I don't think the ability to stand up on one's own is indicative of being able to fight still. This guy was in the right... and then the video continued another 15-30 seconds beyond the point where they were no longer a threat. He even paused, perhaps to let them get up, if they'd needed that much time to get up, even if they were able to stand they were no longer in any condition to say try and throw another punch.

The only thing I would have changed about the outcome of the sentences (as I think both were in the wrong) is I probably would have allowed some of the guy's sentence to be exchanged for anger management as this did start as an act of self-defense and I think it would be more beneficial to him and the community at large then paying tons of money to keep him locked up longer.

Unfortunately we have no idea what happened below the counter. We also cannot clearly hear anything he is saying or they are saying.

We can assume they were laying there helpless, or we can assume they were lashing out and trying to get up to carry on the fight.

Either way, what we do know is they first insulted, then assaulted, a person just trying to do their job. They jumped the counter in order to continue the assault and attempted to attack someone who was walking away.

Agreed, a lot missing, and the metal bar, I want to know what it really is. I have never really understood people's mentality then when they attack another human being and then get their arse handed to them, they complain. I am sure McDonalds will be sued, though they did nothing wrong per se. They all should be tried and judged with the facts and I am sure that video will be part of the evidence. The blonde yelling yelling to stop getting closer wasn't helping, but then again, she at least was "trying". I sense him standing over them and saying "attack me will you, well, next time you won't". There are posts all over the internet of people getting their hat handed to them, thinking they have easy prey.

For those that are asking, why is he out after a murder.. Did he kill a high school classmate or murder him, two different things. And if tried as a juvinile (sp), he wouldn't have the record after released at 18. I.E. at 14 he gets into a fight, one kid dies.

Also, one question.. about 23 seconds in, did the guy eat part of his burger while filming.. so rude..

 

[FilipJPhry]

Well, the guy is a convicted murderer. If anything, it showed that MacIntosh is still an unstable person who doesn't fit in normal society.

 

[RaikuFA]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

mentally scarred? are you kidding me? they attacked someone over counterfeit money, they deserve everything they got. just because someone works in retail dosent mean they have to take crap from others. its the equivelent of workplace bullying.

but then again with the type of attitude you have about retail youre the type of person who throws a tantrum if the cashier is wearing the wrong color shirt and demand a $50 gift card for it. or at least you agree with people who act like that.

 

[Craorach]

He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry.

Let me make this quite clear... you represent everything that is wrong with the mindset of the fast food industry, and customer service industries in general.

There are NO circumstances in which it is acceptable to either verbally or, worse, physically, abuse someone who is just doing their job.

The customer service industry does a disgusting job of protecting it's staff from abuse by unreasonable individuals. The phrase "The Customer Is Always Right" has been discredited for the most part, but has left an indelible mark on these industries where people can get away with threatening and even performing violence for the tiniest of problems and not be dealt with.

Management in many of these companies are little more protected and able to deal with situations than the staff themselves. In fact, because the staff come from a wide variety of backgrounds, many of the staff are likely more capable. Both Staff and Management are paid pittance compared to other jobs, and expected to put up with the most atrocious abuse while knowing.. for certain.. that their company will not support them no matter what the situation.

Until you see the customer service industry doing what even, for example, my local rubbish tip, does for it's staff... protecting them from abuse and ensuring that anyone who is abusive is refunded and escorted from the premisses no matter what the situation, we will see incidences such as this.. where those of us who work in this industry know we have no choice but to protect ourselves and our own.

 

[Torrasque]

start as an act of self-defense

It was never self-defense. These people were not a threat to him and even if they were, you can't claim self-defense with a deadly weapon (such as a metal rod) unless they're equally armed. That's the law in Massachusetts, but regardless of where this is, he threw the self-defense idea out the window when he continued to beat her. He'll probably still get anger management, but he's going to go to those lessons via prison transport. You don't assault someone with a deadly weapon multiple times and not get thrown in jail because the person you were striking pissed you off. The world doesn't work that way.

So because someone argues with me and slaps me the majority thinks I am in the right to knock them to the ground with a metal bar? Everyone deserves the sentence they received, it seems.

You don't see the difference between "argue and slap" and "jump the counter and chase after someone in their place of work"?

And you don't see anything wrong with his response to that being 'beat this woman to a bloody pulp with a large metal rod that could possibly kill her?'

I think you are both getting carried away with the size and strength of the metal rod, it does not appear to be very large or made of a particularly strong metal since it bends so easily after a few blows. Still probably hurts, but is not the +2 iron bludgeon that you guys make it seem.