McDonald's incident

[scorptatious]

Geez. I don't know who to side with here.

On one hand, those two shouldn't have got behind the counter and assaulted him. On the other hand, the cashier shouldn't have beaten them while they were still down.

I guess it's a good thing both parties were charged.

I never said you had to take sides, in situations like this it is probably best to pick no sides.
As I have said several times, and as others have said, the guy over reacted and is not blameless, but the women pushed him over the edge and incited the incident. That being said, they didn't deserve all the smacks with the metal rod that they received... maybe 4 each?

I know you didn't. It's just that I'm used to sympathizing for a particular side in these kinds of instances.

Both parties clearly did wrong though. So in this instance I'm not going to pick one.

 

[Snotnarok]

He gets attacked and because he attacks back with a weapon he's the bad guy to some. Meanwhile had he not fought back they'd have pounded him till someone pried them away. Does it make it right? No but I feel he was bloody justified doing it, scared with adrenaline pumping you'd probably swing more than you needed too.

 

[TheDooD]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

He walked away that's when the broads jumped the counter. What was he suppose to do let those two crazy broads get in the back and possibly break equipment and or get their hands on weapons. His fellow employees could have got the manager while he was dealing with girls at the counter, that's if the bastard was even there. Hell his fellow employees left him out to dry they shouldn't have let'em get close to him. Also who gives a fuck if they're now "mental scarred" for life. You have to mental in the first place to think you can hop the counter at a fast food joint and not expect to get your ass whooped. They shouldn't have acted like they were bad they had what was coming to them 100%. That's why you don't put your hands on people and treat everybody with respect. After you cross that line you'll might just end up getting hurt off of something petty. If anything I'll teach these girls they aren't the shit and the guy is going back to jail because he did what he had to do because it was clear that none of his co-workers was gonna help him.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Luckily the law does not agree with the internet. Using a deadly weapon against an unarmed opponent is very, very much illegal, and I sincerely hope he gets locked up and the key thrown far, far away.

That's a little bit harsh for a guy who had a history of violence, and therefore has serious impulse control problems.

In the video, he's obviously trying to walk away from the women to prevent conflict, ad the women corner him to continue their assault.

Even the MOST reserved human being would react violently when their physical well-being is threatened, especially if there's no way around the situation. Given this guys violent history, the stunned cunts are lucky he didn't beat them to death.

This is another perfect example of 'You never know who you're fucking with'. My best advice in any situation like this is "So don't fuck with people, because there's a good chance they'll beat you to death"

 

[NinjaTigerXIII]

Don't fuck with fast food workers. They get shit all day long and the LAST thing they need is more harassment.

 

[EasySt17]

so... someone smacks you with their purse as you walk away, jumps over a counter in order to continue beating you and you wouldn't do anything to retaliate what so ever?

I would care to point out there is an entire spectrum of action between not retaliating whatsoever and fracturing a person's skull... and being smacked with a purse NEVER warrants a severe beating...

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

I'm surprised the worker got in more trouble than the girls. THEY initiated the incident, and while the worker may have been a tad overzealous with a metal bar, they did chase him behind the counter.

Pretty much this. I could see excessive force maybe, but when they come back behind the counter, especially after hitting you, I'd say you'd be reasonable to assume that you're in danger. Metal rod might have been a bit much, but two on one isn't exaclty fair, either.

 

[docSpitfire]

Unfortunately we have no idea what happened below the counter. We also cannot clearly hear anything he is saying or they are saying.

We can assume they were laying there helpless, or we can assume they were lashing out and trying to get up to carry on the fight.

Either way, what we do know is they first insulted, then assaulted, a person just trying to do their job. They jumped the counter in order to continue the assault and attempted to attack someone who was walking away.

Once they crossed the counter and pursued I still agree with you that he had a right to defend himself with a weapon.

However when it got to the part where he was smacking them laying on the ground, his body language in no way suggested that they were attempting to fight back, if anything it suggested that one of them tried to crawl away, though that for sure is entirely speculation.
He was hitting them in the same spot, not backing away or otherwise reacting to anything they did until he turned to presumably hit the other one who was not quite in the corner. His body language combined with a history or violence and aggression (murder) give credit to the "they were no longer a threat" interpretation of the situation.

I'm just saying, based on what we saw it seems more reasonable to assume that the sentences more or less fit the crimes than it is to assume that he got screwed because violent crazy bitches attacked him at his place of work. No matter how violent or crazy said bitches were.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

Erm...various police forces across the world are extensively trained and equipped to work in groups to take down sole vioent offenders, because getting hit in the face just once with a metal bar can ruin your whole day. A few months ago there was posted here a video of just one guy with a knife in the UK keeping a whole bunch of police at bay.

Now, I'd not want to accuse Maccas of cutting budgets or anything, but I'm not sure if they ensure training and equipment to take down violent staff, or if "tackling co-workers who've already killed when armed with metal bars" if part of the job description.

Well, I understand your point.
Of course it's above and beyond duty of an average worker, but only because it's an intimidately dangerous situations your are not free to watch as a rubberneck.
If one is not egoistic enough to put his health in line to save others that's okay for me. You can surely do that. Even I would probably do that.
But that is not what should have happend. As I already said if the "Soothing Voice" approach fails, overwhelm him and go for the kneecaps as soon as he screams in pain he no longer poses a threat. Some decisions are that easy. If you don't have the guts and nobody else has, the woman is going to be beaten down even more, as seen on the video.

 

[Eggsnham]

Is anybody else a little disturbed by the fact that he killed one of his classmates?

I mean, I know he smacked a couple of bitchy customers with a metal rod, but jesus. The dude killed one of his classmates!

Besides, as far as we know, the people who got smacked are healthy.

 

[Furbyz]

<quote=thedailywh.at>McIntosh, who spent several years in prison for killing a high school classmate...

"Several years"?
Is that all you get for taking a life nowadays? Several years?

What happened to the death penalty, or life imprisonment for countries who don't have the former?
What is happening to this world where you can take the life from a young high school classmate and then just go out into the real world and get a job and get on with your life while the person you killed lies in a grave while you go along with his/her stolen years and next to nothing to pay for what you've done.

Why are people like this let back into society?

*insert long line of unprintable words here*

Spoiler: This is a good example of my feelings. But doesn't nearly do it justice.

First off, we don't know the circumstances of how the other person was killed. For all we know, it was a complete accident, DUI, or maybe even a kill or be killed situation. We don't know if it was murder. Perhaps you don't believe this, but life in prison or the death penalty are not always the best solutions when dealing with manslaughter. In some cases, yes, punishments are far too lenient. Without further information, I don't think it right to judge if they are in this case are not.

I'm guessing the guy was 16-18 when it happened and he was 31 at the time of this video. That's 13-15 years in jail, assuming he was a recent parolee. That's a maximum of 42-48% of this guy's life spent behind bars. In that context, I'm completely unsurprised that he resorted to such excessive means when actively and physically threatened by anyone.

Someone(don't remember who) asked how this guy got the job in the first place. My guess would be it is part of his parole requirements and his Parole Officer may have gotten it for him. Or it could be as simple as he lied on his resume.

 

[RaikuFA]

He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry.

Let me make this quite clear... you represent everything that is wrong with the mindset of the fast food industry, and customer service industries in general.

There are NO circumstances in which it is acceptable to either verbally or, worse, physically, abuse someone who is just doing their job.

The customer service industry does a disgusting job of protecting it's staff from abuse by unreasonable individuals. The phrase "The Customer Is Always Right" has been discredited for the most part, but has left an indelible mark on these industries where people can get away with threatening and even performing violence for the tiniest of problems and not be dealt with.

Management in many of these companies are little more protected and able to deal with situations than the staff themselves. In fact, because the staff come from a wide variety of backgrounds, many of the staff are likely more capable. Both Staff and Management are paid pittance compared to other jobs, and expected to put up with the most atrocious abuse while knowing.. for certain.. that their company will not support them no matter what the situation.

Until you see the customer service industry doing what even, for example, my local rubbish tip, does for it's staff... protecting them from abuse and ensuring that anyone who is abusive is refunded and escorted from the premisses no matter what the situation, we will see incidences such as this.. where those of us who work in this industry know we have no choice but to protect ourselves and our own.

thank you. i work in retail and get abused a lot from people and i just get told "deal with i" and "the customer is always right" its immedietly discredited when you see a customer taking hundreds of dollars worth of merch saying its free because "the customer is always right"

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

Considering one of them jumped over the counter in pursuit, and the other walked around the counter, I don't think he could have walked away if he wanted to.

There are at least 5 people back there, a manager, a phone to call the cops and at least one door. I'm pretty sure he could have got that ***** away from him without hitting her if he really wanted to.

ive said it before and ill say it again: MANAGERS DONT DO SHIT!!! THEY ARE LIKE TEACHERS WHEN IT COMES TO BULLYING, THEY TURN THE OTHER WAY!!!

 

[Darius Brogan]

Hey, I just noticed something about this incident. The end of the movie 'The Losers' is a perfect example of this situation. Jensen get in the refs face at his nieces soccer game, and the ref gets right pissy and starts calling him a loser and whatnot, trying to play the part of the big-tough-woman, not realizing that any one of the guys holding Jensen back, as well as Jensen himself, could take her apart joint by joint in their sleep.

You never know who you're insulting, or assaulting, so it's best to not do it.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

mentally scarred? are you kidding me? they attacked someone over counterfeit money, they deserve everything they got. just because someone works in retail dosent mean they have to take crap from others. its the equivelent of workplace bullying.

but then again with the type of attitude you have about retail youre the type of person who throws a tantrum if the cashier is wearing the wrong color shirt and demand a $50 gift card for it. or at least you agree with people who act like that.

I'm not saying they have to take that shit. I'm saying they need to expect it and work around it and find a way to preform their job calmly. If they cannot, they can deny service to that customer. Obviously this woman was acting aggressive, but that doesn't mean he should beat them with a METAL FUCKING ROD! And I don't know about you, but if some man who had a weapon in his hand was beating me senseless, I'd be pretty messed up too. You can hear the woman screaming in there, but he keeps fucking going. She may have been an idiot and a bully, but he just proved he's a psychopath. And if that's the equivalent to workplace bullying, then he just committed the equivalent of trying to kill your bully!

And I like the ad hominiem at the end. Ya, because apparently you can judge a man by a single post he made on the internet. Bravo sir, bravo.

I think you are both getting carried away with the size and strength of the metal rod, it does not appear to be very large or made of a particularly strong metal since it bends so easily after a few blows. Still probably hurts, but is not the +2 iron bludgeon that you guys make it seem.

Still constitutes a deadly weapon my friend and regardless of what you see, it still probably fucking hurts to bludgeoned with that thing. It doesn't take much to kill someone via bludgeoning either.

It was never self defense? In what way? He obviously tried to walk away. They obviously intended to prevent that, and assaulted him. Regardless of whether or not they were using deadly weapons, they assaulted the man with the intent of causing bodily harm. When he fought back, it was self defense. The fact that he got carried away is directly related to his prior anger management issues.

The simple fact that he tried to walk away is evidence enough that he was attempting to avoid physical conflict, and these women wouldn't let him walk away. His reaction is perfectly understandable given his mental stability, and the situation at hand.

Like I said, that's the law in Massachusetts. If you punch me in the face, I can't take a hammer and hit you with it multiple times. But that doesn't matter, because he threw the defense out the window when he continued to attack her after she stopped being a threat.

He did, but sadly, its not we attempt to do, its what we end up doing. There are several people back there with him, most likely one of them is a manager. There is probably a door leading outside back there and there is probably a good chance that there is a phone back there to call the cops should he need to.

There were plenty of other options open to him.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

ive said it before and ill say it again: MANAGERS DONT DO SHIT!!! THEY ARE LIKE TEACHERS WHEN IT COMES TO BULLYING, THEY TURN THE OTHER WAY!!!

Still leaves your coworkers, several places where you can go where this woman cannot follow and the police. Cutting option A out of the problem still leaves options B,C and D.

 

[mjc0961]

See, the women obviously deserve to be charged. The guy, I don't know. You can't see what's going on behind the counter. They could be trying to get up, they could have pulled out a weapon, we don't know from that film. If they were just lying there then yes, he was wrong too, but for all we know they were still trying to attack and he was justified in the continued beating.

Funny how stuff like that doesn't happen here. Makes you think there's something in the water over there. -.-

Nope. You guys just start riots and fight with police at soccer games. That's soooooo much better.

Thank you. I'm so sick of people from other countries acting like people in America are the only ones who have problems. They need to learn to stop and think about the fucked up things people in their own country have done before they decide to post some offensive bullshit that stereotypes an entire nation full of people. And if they don't, they need to be called out on it as often as possible. Seriously, most of the posts I see on this site anymore are pony garbage and people from countries with plenty of stupid people of their own acting like America is the only place where stupid people exist.

 

[TriGGeR_HaPPy]

... Woah. That's... hmm...

Watching the video, I saw the first 2 hits which brought her to the gound swiftly, and stopped her attacking him. I was like "Well, at least he can say he was just defending himself."
But then he paused, thought about it, and then kept hitting her.

I mean...

They deserved to be beaten with a metal rod? That's too much for me to believe they deserved it. Honestly, that's a whole lot of violence to have "deserved it" in my book.
Then again, almost any amount of violence is too much for me so...

Pretty much this. In that kind of situation, you get a few other employee's help to push them out of the store. If they're still attacking, try to force them to the floor and call the police. That way, you've embarrassed them after they attacked you, they'll still get disciplinary action taken against them, and all the while you didn't cause them too much harm.
You don't, however, go beating them mercilessly with a metal rod, and the people who are saying they deserved to be horribly beaten with one should probably re-think that. >_>

 

[skullpile]

my only thoughts on that video are as always, is it really that hard to turn your phone 90 degrees to get a good video

 

[SovietX]

Threatening the she-beasts with the pipe probably would have been enough, even smacking a bench or fryer near by to scare them off.

He probably shouldn't have hit them with the rod but to be perfectly fair they did deserve some sort of immediate backlash. There is no reason for them to be acting like that, especially in a public place.

Both parties were to blame for this incident.

 

[Craorach]

Still leaves your coworkers, several places where you can go where this woman cannot follow and the police. Cutting option A out of the problem still leaves options B,C and D.

While I disagree with the person you quoted's hatred for managers.. who are almost always as helpless in situations like this as staff...

...most fast food places do NOT have somewhere you can go that this woman cannot follow.. for health and safety reasons you can't just lock a place away that cannot be accessed. The best I suppose he could do, is lock himself in a staff toilet.

Of course.. that leaves your coworkers.. as I've posted before, there are reasons people work in fast food and for the most part that is because they are teenagers... so a fully grown adult should leave a bunch of teenagers to deal with a violent threat?

As for the police.. well, they take time to get there.