Metal is not "Screamo"

[TripleEcksCore]

Dir En Grey is pretty epic, sad about 90% of north america has no clue who they are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2tWbYgmMwg

 

[TheLaofKazi]

I've not heard much of their earlier stuff. Maybe they were punk at one point.

However, I doubt that the little teeny bopper wearing a "punk princess" t-shirt calling them their "favoritee punx bannd!!!" has ever heard their earlier, more punkish, stuff either. Those are the sort of people I was referring to.

They were/ still kind of a gothicy, poppy, punky, classic rock, emo, metal kind of thing. Here:


Trying to sum up any band or song in just one genre just doesn't them justice. I'm not saying My Chemical Romance is like the epitome of originality here. I used to listen to them quite a bit and still like them, but even the most average, mundane stuff has more influences then just one genre, and a lot of genres that you may have not thought of could be applied. Because sometimes amongst the mixing pot of styles in music, there are things that other people may spot or interpret that you won't. It's pretty subjective,

 

[mirasiel]

I always find people who need to classify all music as a little odd.

I have 2 genres, songs I like and songs I dont like.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I hate screamcore, screamo whatever. I actually just hate anything that's done because "it's hardcore". I like some Metal (Alice in Chains, some Nirvana), and more classic Metal.

Often times I enjoy blends of metal and some other genre too, like with Porcupine Tree. They have psychedelic rock + metal in a number of their songs.

Nirvana's not metal!

 

[ReservoirAngel]

I think it might be because to the 'uneducated' (aka people who don't give a flying fuck about Metal's apparent complexity and it's sub-genres that only Metalheads seem to know about as if it's some ancient secret) all Metal sounds like some hairy asshole just yelling stuff into a microphone while other hairy assholes randomly clang on assorted instruments in the background.

Of course I'm one of these people, so warm up the fires of the abyss...I'm going in!

EDIT: Music genres do really just in general escape me. How exactly 'Power Metal' is different than 'Epic Metal' or 'Ochestral Metal' is beyond me.

and on the subject: people who get pissed off by people mislabelling music genres. Like it fucking matters what genre someone thinks a song belongs to...yeah they really piss me off.

 

[likalaruku]

What's Screamio? A member of the Wu-Tang Clown Posse?

 

[Harlemura]

Screamo might as well be metal, I'd still probably rather be listening to something else.
Even if Screamo isn't a sub-genre of metal, is it really worth getting in such a tiz over it? Let's be honest, they can be pretty darn similar.

 

[Kurokami]

People that confuse the two genres deserve to die in a fiery abyss. Every single time i listen to any form of metal there is always an asshole who asks me 'Why do i listen to that screamo grabage?" Biggest pet peave of all time.

Don't bother explaining the difference, just whip out the lighter fluid and matches.

Most metal I've heard is screamo, and I can easily say neither tend to be my cup-o-joe.

 

[Spark Ignition]

meh lets not get into an argument about metal subgenres (for the record, though, Finnish Techno-Death-Metal wins every time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFSupNT7rA ). Suffice to say I always thought screamo was a term for metal/bordering on emo, like BFMV.

 

[Kurokami]

People that confuse the two genres deserve to die in a fiery abyss. Every single time i listen to any form of metal there is always an asshole who asks me 'Why do i listen to that screamo grabage?" Biggest pet peave of all time.

Don't bother explaining the difference, just whip out the lighter fluid and matches.

Most metal I've heard is screamo, and I can easily say neither tend to be my cup-o-joe.

Screamo is some punk subgenre, not related to metal.

Subgenre of metal as I understand it, if not so you'll have to educate me as to what defines metal.

 

[Siris]

Consider this: not all metal is screamo, but all screamo is metal

 

[Pinguin]

Biggest pet peave of all time.

*Peeve

 

[Aurgelmir]

Its not so much it being called Screamo for me as it is just the negativity of it. And I've always just followed the idea that 'Screamo' was literally just metal that contained screaming...

But I do agree with you, but then again, most people don't listen to it and don't pay attention to the various 100,000,000 subgenres that metalheads get offended to if you label them incorrectly. And I'm pretty sure the world is conspiring to belittle it by not calling it Metal.

I agree with this.

As a person that listen to very little Metal I do confuse the genres A LOT. But seriously there is a lot of screaming in some of the genres. Never heard the word Screamo before though, so cant coment on that

 

[Harlemura]

Screamo might as well be metal, I'd still probably rather be listening to something else.
Even if Screamo isn't a sub-genre of metal, is it really worth getting in such a tiz over it? Let's be honest, they can be pretty darn similar.

Their similiar when your ignorant, or you dont understand them.

Or you don't listen to them much. Which is probably the case with a lot of people that mix them up, myself included.
I'm just saying that if people don't like something, they're probably going to put it in the same "pile" so to speak. If someone likes pop music and thus only listens to pop music, anything fast, loud and "rocky" will be classed as metal.
Mass generalization here, but you see my point.

 

[Zeriah]

Metal only refers to the style of the music while screamo refers more to the vocals.
so metal sound=<youtube=P6ZJP1QyeBo>
screamo sound=<youtube=Q6Jt-0B0WpU>
even if the song has a metal sound, the vocals make it screamo.
or something like that.

No.

Consider this: not all metal is screamo, but all screamo is metal

You couldn't be more wrong...

Screamo was a form of Hardcore, emotive Punk in the early 1990's and when Punk eventually lead to the creation of Post-hardcore (emo), Screamo also evolved to become a term for Post-hardcore bands which incorporated some of the Screamo sounds of the early 1990's. Screamo never has and never was a description for metal or the metal growls. It is always either dickhead trolls who knowingly group together Screamo (emo bands) and metal bands to make you rage, or ignorant people who just don't know any better.

Screamo is not, I repeat IS NOT a term used to describe music with "screaming in it", it is used as a term for EMOTIVE HARDCORE PUNK as well as the newer post-hardcore emo stuff with screams in it, hence the Scr-emo way it is pronounced. Jeez, even the vocals aren't alike they are high pitched and literal screams. The stuff that is in metal are lower pitched growls, or in the case of black metal, higher pitched shrieks. There are no screams in metal.

Yes it is a pet peeve of mine too, either the guy is calling metal emo or is another ignorant, metal bashing douche who doesn't know jack squat about the genre and very likely, not much about music in general.

This is Screamo:

You see, it is nothing, NOTHING like metal or metal growls.

For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo

 

[Ande66]

Well, as I am a metalhead I feel that i have to respond.

I like many kinds of metal, from the new wave of british heavy metal to the blackned norwegian death metal. So I am to the "normal people" of this world, a screamo fan.

The music I listen to is called satan-music where I live, even if it's Iron Maiden or Metallica. The answer? It's really simple, just flow with the ignorance. I just agree with them, and often add that I enjoy my churchburnings, sacrifices and orgies. Creeps most people out...

Or just deny that whatever you are listening to isn't satanic, and instead put on some old Mayhem/Gorgoroth and point out that THIS is satanic.

 

[kinapuffar]

Metal isn't even music. When push comes to shove, it's not an attempt to create something, it's just there to piss off your parents. A bland form of rebellion for the children trapped in their middle-class, suburban nightmare.

 

[MeputthecaninthebininHL2]

Iron Maiden is considered Metal, but their lyrics are amazing and Bruce Dickinson can sing like a god.

 

[Harlemura]

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Screamo might as well be metal, I'd still probably rather be listening to something else.
Even if Screamo isn't a sub-genre of metal, is it really worth getting in such a tiz over it? Let's be honest, they can be pretty darn similar.

Their similiar when your ignorant, or you dont understand them.

Or you don't listen to them much. Which is probably the case with a lot of people that mix them up, myself included.
I'm just saying that if people don't like something, they're probably going to put it in the same "pile" so to speak. If someone likes pop music and thus only listens to pop music, anything fast, loud and "rocky" will be classed as metal.
Mass generalization here, but you see my point.

But atleast you accept that Metal and Screamo are not similiar in any way?

I wouldn't say they're not similar in any way. They can both have similarities to rock. They can both have shouty people. I'm sure most of the time these similarities are minimal at best, but surely they can be there every now and again?

 

[kinapuffar]

Metal isn't even music. When push comes to shove, it's not an attempt to create something, it's just there to piss off your parents. A bland form of rebellion for the children trapped in their middle-class, suburban nightmare.

Or your just being ignorant.

*You're.
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