Metal is not "Screamo"

[dariuskyne]

People that confuse the two genres deserve to die in a fiery abyss. Every single time i listen to any form of metal there is always an asshole who asks me 'Why do i listen to that screamo grabage?" Biggest pet peave of all time.

No shit. Screamo has those high pitched fags singing that sound like they have their nuts tied up. I say, "I listen to metal, not Bullet for Cry by Myself."

i present

King Diamond,


who has made metal long before many, many of you were born
so about that whole screamo is metal with high pitched screams , and the whole they sound like they have their nuts tied up deal... this should render such arguments invalid. since metal has had high pitched screaming in it since, well since metal itself was born.

 

[Zeriah]

Metal isn't even music. When push comes to shove, it's not an attempt to create something, it's just there to piss off your parents. A bland form of rebellion for the children trapped in their middle-class, suburban nightmare.

Eh I've heard your nonsense from more ignorant people than I can count, I've long since given up caring about this tired, old cliche. Fact is you are the one that is missing out. Even discounting the extreme technical proficiency that is required to play the stereotypical, fast paced death metal that you are referring to, the more musically respected genres of metal (technical death metal, progressive metal and neoclassical metal to name but a few) contain (with the exception of classical and jazz) the most complex musical compositions around right now. You don't get anywhere in these genres without having a profound understanding of music, they use everything at their disposal; key changes, odd time signatures, time changes, arpeggios as well as many types of modes and scales to form some real musical masterpieces. There are many metal guitar riffs that could easily become the base melody for a classical piece, in fact there's neoclassical metal which is basically classical music sped up, with only limited (or even without) orchestra.

I wont deny that there are some real garbage metal bands out there that do nothing musically and just burn your ears with tired, old power chords, growls and tremolo picking but because of metals' huge scope there are sooo many bands out there that combine technical playing as well as vast musical knowledge to create songs that are a mix of fast-paced intensity and high level musical composition, that is just awesome.

I get that people are turned off by the intensity, but there's no reason any rational human being who has spent more than a moment researching with an open mind would think metal isn't music.

 

[SovietX]

Screamo is also known as Hardcore, which is a load of crap.
Example of screamo would be Bring Me The (Hairstraightners) Horizon, Parkway Drive etc.

I dont know if its just me but Screamo is essentially the Emo kid genre, along with stuff like Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance.
Screamo is nowhere near metal, I believe it should be its own stupid genre instead of being a sub genre of metal.
Example of Metal would be Anthrax, Anvil, Megadeth, Testament, Iron Maiden etc

Im a death metal man myself (Cannibal Corpse, Carcass, Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Hate Eternal etc etc)

So wait, metal only includes the metal bands you like? Because it's inconsistent to say that metal includes the classics (Anthrax, Megadeth, Testament) AND your personal death metal while not including what other people like that's called metal. Until you get some objective criteria, I'm calling bullshit.

Sorry, you pissed off a Parkway Drive fan.

I never said I liked Anthrax, Anvil etc. They were EXAMPLES. Im sorry but im going to have to say 'welcome to the internet' We all have opinions and I was simple adding my point of view to this discussion. Now back to this point,

The tempos and scales used in Screamo music differs greatly to Metal, Often in screamo there are alot of breaks and bridges with lots of pinch harmonics, usually resulting in a 'break down' Now the tune in most of these screamo bands ascends. Basically, it goes from a low riff to a high bar. This is in every screamo song ive ever heard. Perhaps you should pay closer attention to what people are saying, as I said that there are many sub genres in metal, but the actual genre of 'Metal' involves the bands stated above. And, like other people in the thread, I posted my favorite genre and some examples.

So please, dont let fanboyism cloud your judgement.

...the most complex musical compositions around right now.

This. Just take a look at the new artists in music today. Everything is done in mixing programs using samples and voice filters. Nowadays its just the 1 bar of music repeated, no complexity whatsoever.

 

[Addicted Muffin]

finnally, someone who isnt a total retard...

metal has the more griddy older sounding vocals to it...and GROWLS, not screams...

Screamo, or to a lesser extent post-hardcore and emo, has a younger, more adolesent vocal to it, and actual screaming

even though i hate metal, it still bugs me when they mix the two into one genre...

 

[Brocken Jr]

Metal is good - if you're twelve.

 

[orangebandguy]

I can't stand most metal anyway.

It's because it all sounds exactly the same. To me it is just a very loud incoherent noise.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

The only subgenre of metal that matters is melodic/epic power metal. Everything else is just noise.

Iron Maiden is not noise. You can't kill the metal any of it.

OT: I don't mind when people mix up subgenre but when people mislabel a whole genre AND hold it in a negative light with no formed opinion it does annoy me.

 

[Lnc0]

Their similiar when your ignorant, or you dont understand them.

Holy shit, so much grammatical suck in the one sentence.

OT: No, Metal is not Screamo. Of course there are so many different types of metal nowadays it's hard to keep track of what's what I suppose.

Heavy,Thrash,Death,Black,Power,Progressive,Doom.

Not really that much. Every metal band pretty much falls into one of these even if they have industrial, avant garde, or any other influences.

Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Alteritive Metal, New Metal, Morotic Death Metal, Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Dark Wave Metal, Hip Hop Metal, Gothic Metal, Deathcore Metal, Thrashcore Metal, Trash Metal, Alteritive Gothic Metal, Black Metal, Dark Industrial Metal, Deathcore Metal, Grindcore Metal, Mathcore Metal, Glam Metal, Hardcore Metal, Industrial Techno Metal, Metalcore, Melodic Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Power Metal, Rock Metal, Melodic Trash Metal, Rap Metal, Noise Meta, 80's Metal, Grove Metal, Pirate Metal, Hardcore Metal, Doom Metal, Electric Metal, Folk Metal, Viking Metal, Traditional Metal, Orchestral Metal, Symphonic Metal, Progressive Metal, Dark Melodic Death Metal, Love Metal, Hair Metal, Epic Metal, Melodeath Metal, Extreme Metal, Funeraldoom Metal, Blackeneddeath Metal, Unblack Metal, Melodicblack Metal, Symphonicblack Metal, Drone Metal, Neo-Classical Metal, Sludge Metal, Post Metal, Stoner Metal

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You missed 'Nu Metal'

But man that's so many labels, why are they needed? 'Rap Metal'? What's wrong with just saying it's both Rap and Metal? So redundant

 

[amoamaremetallum]

Their similiar when your ignorant, or you dont understand them.

Holy shit, so much grammatical suck in the one sentence.

OT: No, Metal is not Screamo. Of course there are so many different types of metal nowadays it's hard to keep track of what's what I suppose.

Heavy,Thrash,Death,Black,Power,Progressive,Doom.

Not really that much. Every metal band pretty much falls into one of these even if they have industrial, avant garde, or any other influences.

Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Alteritive Metal, New Metal, Morotic Death Metal, Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Dark Wave Metal, Hip Hop Metal, Gothic Metal, Deathcore Metal, Thrashcore Metal, Trash Metal, Alteritive Gothic Metal, Black Metal, Dark Industrial Metal, Deathcore Metal, Grindcore Metal, Mathcore Metal, Glam Metal, Hardcore Metal, Industrial Techno Metal, Metalcore, Melodic Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Power Metal, Rock Metal, Melodic Trash Metal, Rap Metal, Noise Meta, 80's Metal, Grove Metal, Pirate Metal, Hardcore Metal, Doom Metal, Electric Metal, Folk Metal, Viking Metal, Traditional Metal, Orchestral Metal, Symphonic Metal, Progressive Metal, Dark Melodic Death Metal, Love Metal, Hair Metal, Epic Metal, Melodeath Metal, Extreme Metal, Funeraldoom Metal, Blackeneddeath Metal, Unblack Metal, Melodicblack Metal, Symphonicblack Metal, Drone Metal, Neo-Classical Metal, Sludge Metal, Post Metal, Stoner Metal

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You missed 'Nu Metal'

But man that's so many labels, why are they needed? 'Rap Metal'? What's wrong with just saying it's both Rap and Metal? So redundant

Oh, it's not my list, I just grabbed it off the link I posted.

I don't even know what half of those even mean. It is annoying when things are put into the wrong genre, but when you have SO fucking many, is it really that hard to believe it happens?

The amount of times my friends have bitched me out because I call something Metal when it's grindcore or something Heavy Metal when it's Death Metal is kind of annoying. I see where they are coming from but really.

I do agree with you on that nitpicking on the specific genres is irritating and unnecessary, but screamo is a very condescending term that just insults us.

 

[Lnc0]

I dunno why metal heads get so upset about the use of 'Scremo' out of context, they aren?t exactly angels themselves

I think when metal heads throw about a meaningless label like 'indie' (Seriously what does it even mean these days?) simply just to peg it onto bands they don't like or they feel aren?t 'Hardcore' enough, I think that's 100x worse and almost every metal head i know does this. I mean I?ve had people tell me that Colplay and Biffy Clyro are 'indie' before... i mean really? I don't even like either of them and i feel that's an injustice to them both.

Eye for an eye lads, eye for an eye

 

[amoamaremetallum]

Their similiar when your ignorant, or you dont understand them.

Holy shit, so much grammatical suck in the one sentence.

OT: No, Metal is not Screamo. Of course there are so many different types of metal nowadays it's hard to keep track of what's what I suppose.

Heavy,Thrash,Death,Black,Power,Progressive,Doom.

Not really that much. Every metal band pretty much falls into one of these even if they have industrial, avant garde, or any other influences.

Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Alteritive Metal, New Metal, Morotic Death Metal, Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Dark Wave Metal, Hip Hop Metal, Gothic Metal, Deathcore Metal, Thrashcore Metal, Trash Metal, Alteritive Gothic Metal, Black Metal, Dark Industrial Metal, Deathcore Metal, Grindcore Metal, Mathcore Metal, Glam Metal, Hardcore Metal, Industrial Techno Metal, Metalcore, Melodic Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Power Metal, Rock Metal, Melodic Trash Metal, Rap Metal, Noise Meta, 80's Metal, Grove Metal, Pirate Metal, Hardcore Metal, Doom Metal, Electric Metal, Folk Metal, Viking Metal, Traditional Metal, Orchestral Metal, Symphonic Metal, Progressive Metal, Dark Melodic Death Metal, Love Metal, Hair Metal, Epic Metal, Melodeath Metal, Extreme Metal, Funeraldoom Metal, Blackeneddeath Metal, Unblack Metal, Melodicblack Metal, Symphonicblack Metal, Drone Metal, Neo-Classical Metal, Sludge Metal, Post Metal, Stoner Metal

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You missed 'Nu Metal'

But man that's so many labels, why are they needed? 'Rap Metal'? What's wrong with just saying it's both Rap and Metal? So redundant

Oh, it's not my list, I just grabbed it off the link I posted.

I don't even know what half of those even mean. It is annoying when things are put into the wrong genre, but when you have SO fucking many, is it really that hard to believe it happens?

The amount of times my friends have bitched me out because I call something Metal when it's grindcore or something Heavy Metal when it's Death Metal is kind of annoying. I see where they are coming from but really.

I do agree with you on that nitpicking on the specific genres is irritating and unnecessary, but screamo is a very condescending term that just insults us.

I don't get why it insults anybody, the only real definition I can get from screamo is there's a lot of screaming in it. Which is exactly what a lot of metal seems to have.

To be clear, As I have made perfectly clear in earlier posts, I know Metal is not Screamo, I'm merely asking why the label is so condescending/offensive

Well, most people who don't listen to/understand metal are people who think it is nothing but reckles yells and unsophisticated bashing on guitars, when most of it is actually considered an art. There are people who spend hours a day trying to perfect their riffs and tap melodies and other stuff which requires WAY more skill than some popular genres of today.

Screamo is used (it really doesn't mean it) to the point WITH THAT BELIEF that metal is nothing but horrible bashing and wailing, that everyone who uses the word 'screamo' thinks metal is 'see above'.

I'm not trying to get in an argument or anything, but how would you like it if you spent 10 years learning how to play guitar masterfully and joining a band and creating EXTREMELY complex music, only to be insulted by a teen who hasn't listened to your music or taken the time to properly understand?

 

[Zarmi]

Get used to it. I know it's annoying as hell, but well... Might as well deal with the incompetence of this century at once. It's a natural thing in our world, really. As for the people who call metal "noise" or screamo, please learn the difference between the genres. I don't go around insulting whatever music you like, so don't insult mine. Is that too much to ask? Learn the difference. Peace.

 

[DustyDrB]

I've not found any metal I enjoy listening to. I've tried a wide variety, though I couldn't tell you the name of the bands because I've long forgotten them.

Screamo is also known as Hardcore, which is a load of crap.

By who? Hardcore means hardcore punk to me. So I think of Minor Threat, early Husker Du, Black Flag, Bad Brains, and many others that mostly came from within or right around the 80s.

 

[HigherTomorrow]

I can't stand this metalcore/screamo shit. I'm into epic, black, heavy, classic metal, etc. So, therefore, I define any metal that I dislike at screamo, if only to make people whose opinion differs from mine angry.

 

[amoamaremetallum]

Their similiar when your ignorant, or you dont understand them.

Holy shit, so much grammatical suck in the one sentence.

OT: No, Metal is not Screamo. Of course there are so many different types of metal nowadays it's hard to keep track of what's what I suppose.

Heavy,Thrash,Death,Black,Power,Progressive,Doom.

Not really that much. Every metal band pretty much falls into one of these even if they have industrial, avant garde, or any other influences.

Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Alteritive Metal, New Metal, Morotic Death Metal, Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Dark Wave Metal, Hip Hop Metal, Gothic Metal, Deathcore Metal, Thrashcore Metal, Trash Metal, Alteritive Gothic Metal, Black Metal, Dark Industrial Metal, Deathcore Metal, Grindcore Metal, Mathcore Metal, Glam Metal, Hardcore Metal, Industrial Techno Metal, Metalcore, Melodic Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Power Metal, Rock Metal, Melodic Trash Metal, Rap Metal, Noise Meta, 80's Metal, Grove Metal, Pirate Metal, Hardcore Metal, Doom Metal, Electric Metal, Folk Metal, Viking Metal, Traditional Metal, Orchestral Metal, Symphonic Metal, Progressive Metal, Dark Melodic Death Metal, Love Metal, Hair Metal, Epic Metal, Melodeath Metal, Extreme Metal, Funeraldoom Metal, Blackeneddeath Metal, Unblack Metal, Melodicblack Metal, Symphonicblack Metal, Drone Metal, Neo-Classical Metal, Sludge Metal, Post Metal, Stoner Metal

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You missed 'Nu Metal'

But man that's so many labels, why are they needed? 'Rap Metal'? What's wrong with just saying it's both Rap and Metal? So redundant

Oh, it's not my list, I just grabbed it off the link I posted.

I don't even know what half of those even mean. It is annoying when things are put into the wrong genre, but when you have SO fucking many, is it really that hard to believe it happens?

The amount of times my friends have bitched me out because I call something Metal when it's grindcore or something Heavy Metal when it's Death Metal is kind of annoying. I see where they are coming from but really.

I do agree with you on that nitpicking on the specific genres is irritating and unnecessary, but screamo is a very condescending term that just insults us.

I don't get why it insults anybody, the only real definition I can get from screamo is there's a lot of screaming in it. Which is exactly what a lot of metal seems to have.

To be clear, As I have made perfectly clear in earlier posts, I know Metal is not Screamo, I'm merely asking why the label is so condescending/offensive

Well, most people who don't listen to/understand metal are people who think it is nothing but reckles yells and unsophisticated bashing on guitars, when most of it is actually considered an art. There are people who spend hours a day trying to perfect their riffs and tap melodies and other stuff which requires WAY more skill than some popular genres of today.

Screamo is used (it really doesn't mean it) to the point WITH THAT BELIEF that metal is nothing but horrible bashing and wailing, that everyone who uses the word 'screamo' thinks metal is 'see above'.

I'm not trying to get in an argument or anything, but how would you like it if you spent 10 years learning how to play guitar masterfully and joining a band and creating EXTREMELY complex music, only to be insulted by a teen who hasn't listened to your music or taken the time to properly understand?

Sigh, again I have to plead ignorance to why it's an insult. I'm probably missing some key argument between screamo and metal fans, but I've never really seen anyone call something *screamo* intending it as an insult (then again I don't frequent many music boards). Also implying that learning to play guitar masterfully in a screamo band is less of an achievement just seems exceptionally arrogant to me.

To answer the question though, If I was in a successful band, playing extremely complex music I probably wouldn't give a shit what some random teen said to me to be honest..

Well like I said it's not ther term itself. It's only used by trolls/people who believe what I said, and because we associate that word with mindless wailing bashing and grunting, we feel crushed and devastated.

And for that point you said about skilled guitar in a screamo band, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? Go listen to some August Burns Red or some Dragonforce. I'm not a huge fan of these bands, but they work as an example of why great guitar is used so often.

 

[Zeriah]

Their similiar when your ignorant, or you dont understand them.

Holy shit, so much grammatical suck in the one sentence.

OT: No, Metal is not Screamo. Of course there are so many different types of metal nowadays it's hard to keep track of what's what I suppose.

Heavy,Thrash,Death,Black,Power,Progressive,Doom.

Not really that much. Every metal band pretty much falls into one of these even if they have industrial, avant garde, or any other influences.

Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Alteritive Metal, New Metal, Morotic Death Metal, Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Dark Wave Metal, Hip Hop Metal, Gothic Metal, Deathcore Metal, Thrashcore Metal, Trash Metal, Alteritive Gothic Metal, Black Metal, Dark Industrial Metal, Deathcore Metal, Grindcore Metal, Mathcore Metal, Glam Metal, Hardcore Metal, Industrial Techno Metal, Metalcore, Melodic Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Power Metal, Rock Metal, Melodic Trash Metal, Rap Metal, Noise Meta, 80's Metal, Grove Metal, Pirate Metal, Hardcore Metal, Doom Metal, Electric Metal, Folk Metal, Viking Metal, Traditional Metal, Orchestral Metal, Symphonic Metal, Progressive Metal, Dark Melodic Death Metal, Love Metal, Hair Metal, Epic Metal, Melodeath Metal, Extreme Metal, Funeraldoom Metal, Blackeneddeath Metal, Unblack Metal, Melodicblack Metal, Symphonicblack Metal, Drone Metal, Neo-Classical Metal, Sludge Metal, Post Metal, Stoner Metal

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You missed 'Nu Metal'

But man that's so many labels, why are they needed? 'Rap Metal'? What's wrong with just saying it's both Rap and Metal? So redundant

Oh, it's not my list, I just grabbed it off the link I posted.

I don't even know what half of those even mean. It is annoying when things are put into the wrong genre, but when you have SO fucking many, is it really that hard to believe it happens?

The amount of times my friends have bitched me out because I call something Metal when it's grindcore or something Heavy Metal when it's Death Metal is kind of annoying. I see where they are coming from but really.

I do agree with you on that nitpicking on the specific genres is irritating and unnecessary, but screamo is a very condescending term that just insults us.

I don't get why it insults anybody, the only real definition I can get from screamo is there's a lot of screaming in it. Which is exactly what a lot of metal seems to have.

To be clear, As I have made perfectly clear in earlier posts, I know Metal is not Screamo, I'm merely asking why the label is so condescending/offensive

There is a real definition of Screamo, it's a subgenre of PUNK. Its been explained many times here already, it has very little in common with metal. Go wiki it and listen to the example I gave. Screamo is nothing like metal, there's a lot more rock out there that has more in common with metal than screamo.

It is NOT used to describe music with screaming in it (which metal does not have btw), it is used to describe emo hardcore punk with screams (as in the screams you hear in horror movies, not death growls) in it as well post-hardcore (emo) with screams in it, hence the SCR-EMO name.

It is insulting to metal enthusiasts because it means you're basically describing metal as emo, which is about as polar opposite to metal as you can get and is against basically the whole point of metal or you are ignorant and think that screamo is some name for any music with harsh vocals and nothing else, which is also insulting (there is far more to metal than that).

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Screamo is metalcore, specifically the emo-er branch of it.

Metalcore is a mix of hardcore, and well, metal.

That's how I've always thought of it. That said, I god damn hate screaming and or growling in my metal, but whatever.

 

[Zeriah]

It is insulting to metal enthusiasts because it means you're basically describing metal as emo, which is about as polar opposite to metal as you can get and is against basically the whole point of metal.

I know this is besides the point, but considering you cleared up my other questions I figured I'd ask.

Weren't you asking why 'metalheads' would be offended if you called their music screamo?

I know the actual definition of Emo and the music genre of Emo are considered different things, but most reputable metal bands seem to have songs that would most certainly be considered Emo.

Sure I guess, there are some emotional metal songs. The same as there are emotional songs in just about any genre, but as you've said there's a whole lot of difference between 'emotional music' and the 'emo' genre that almost anybody would be aware of. You're not going to call an emotional rap song 'emo rap' or an emotional pop song 'emo pop'. Basically If you (mistakenly or not) refer to metal as this:

It is insulting.

Btw to be clear, I don't care if people mistakenly call I don't know, Metallica, death metal, I wouldn't be remotely offended (I'd probably laugh it off), but to basically call metal 'emo' is in a whole other ball park.

 

[Zeriah]

edit: sorry, something happened with my cache and wasn't showing my earlier post so I figured I'd made a mistake and reposted it but, well it came back!

 

[JamesBr]

Screamo was a form of Hardcore, emotive Punk in the early 1990's and when Punk eventually lead to the creation of Post-hardcore (emo), Screamo also evolved to become a term for Post-hardcore bands which incorporated some of the Screamo sounds of the early 1990's. Screamo never has and never was a description for metal or the metal growls. It is always either dickhead trolls who knowingly group together Screamo (emo bands) and metal bands to make you rage, or ignorant people who just don't know any better.

Screamo is not, I repeat IS NOT a term used to describe music with "screaming in it", it is used as a term for EMOTIVE HARDCORE PUNK as well as the newer post-hardcore emo stuff with screams in it, hence the Scr-emo way it is pronounced. Jeez, even the vocals aren't alike they are high pitched and literal screams. The stuff that is in metal are lower pitched growls, or in the case of black metal, higher pitched shrieks. There are no screams in metal.

Yes it is a pet peeve of mine too, either the guy is calling metal emo or is another ignorant, metal bashing douche who doesn't know jack squat about the genre and very likely, not much about music in general.

This is Screamo:

You see, it is nothing, NOTHING like metal or metal growls.

For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo

Quoted for truth. This is something that grates on my nerves as well. The term Screamo, although referencing another genre entirely, is also used as a pejorative almost every time. I've never heard anyone use it positively. It's always someone who doesn't listen to metal and just lumps it with other things they associate with the "counter culture" scene. Wearing black and listening to music you don't like (and is viewed in negative light by a lot of the public). Alas, these two images are often used to describe Emo and are so prevalent in modern pop culture that I don't think the term Screamo is going anywhere soon.
Which is a shame, I never heard it growing up and listening to metal, only when I got older. Call my music noise if you want, I'll laugh, but when people started equating it with whinny self-loathing, arms need to be taken up.

Ignorance only buys you so much leeway.

On a related note, although I'm not one to get anal about categorization, (even wikipedia lists 30-odd different metal genres, not including fusion genres), I am glad that they are there. I'm glad for the same reason I'm glad every other type of music is heavily categorized. Categorization allows for one to track its influences and spin-offs, tracking music historically. Sure, it's largely useless knowledge, left to band geeks to fight over for the most part, but the existence of so many genres means people out there are knowledgeable enough to tell the difference and are essentially writing history while performing all these subdivisions.

Which is why telling us Screamo and Metal are the same is stupid. It's essentially telling us Punk and Metal are the same. And although I will agree that they have similarities, if you think they are the same I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to step outside.