Modern Warfare 3 Ditches Commando Perk

[matell]

So, I beg you, acquire a sense of decency when you play online.

decency? I don't use swears, racist insults or anything. I'm just enjoying every bit of a game I paid full price for. How is my fun less important than other people's?
You might say that the needs of the many overwrite the needs of the few but that's just discriminating a group of players that have paid just as much as others for the same content.
To make this clear: I understand what you're saying, but I have no motivation to do so. Why would I care about someone else when they spam the chat with swears and death threats (happens at least every 3 games, and not necessarily towards me). On the other hand, ask me nicely in a game to stop that and I probably will.
Indeed the dedicated servers will solve this "problem" but I don't feel sad because I will be playing by the rules as will all others.

+As long as there is still no patch out to take out the RPG, G18, and other stuff from the game, I consider the producers happy with their product.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Or if you and your enemy are facing each other, open up a quick fire knife fight with balance?

I'm sorry, I didn't get much sleep and I'm dead tired, but I don't quite follow what you're saying after the comma.

No problem. The way I see this idea in my head is suppose you and an enemy close in on each other, you'd normally try to knife them first and only one guy could win.
Suppose instead of "who did it first" there was a little skilled minigame that opened up when two enemies (who were facing each other) tried to knife the other one, the minigame would be a test of reflexes and whoever won it killed the other player. Maybe a kind of qte thing.

Say the attacker is trying to stab you, they set the pace by trying to stab you in this knife fight, that then generates a response that the defender can respond to but they have to be quick or die.

This wouldn't work if they were behind an enemy however. That would still be a one hit kill thing because you just can't let your guard down in that game.

That any better explained?

Yeah, it makes sense now. Upon further reflection, so did the first time you explained it.

Anyway, that's one of those ideas that would either be super awesome, or super terrible, depending on implementation. I think gears has something like that, but with chainsaws.

 

[Arizona Kyle]

I think they have to decide the purpose of having the knife in at all.

As I see it, there are two reasons to keep it. The first is for stealth kills, so that a player that sneaks up on someone else has a certain kill on them. The second is to avoid fiddly close-quarters gunfights, which rely more on ping and blind luck than skill or planning. I think the best way to avoid those situations would be to cause two players that get too close to each other or run into each other to enter a sort of minigame where they have to grapple with each other or something to win the knife fight.

That way, it's not always the person with the 5-button mouse and the lower ping that wins.

that would just be stupid.... that could be abused so easly i mean you could run around in packs and as soon as one player goes into that minigame then the other person would just shoot the enemy and making them invinsible would just be as bad as second chance in a way.... plus quicktime events just suck ass anyways

 

[Dogstile]

A response for both of you; most people dont use these things in MW2 for the same reason that most people dont go up to strangers and kick them in the balls; they dont want to act like an asshole and have a sense of decency. Of course, there is a big gap between the two, and the UMP45 isnt going to ruin any lives, but, still. Every player that doesnt act this way gets very frustrated when they are one kill away from a harrier and someone commando lunges them, or noobtubes them, or goes into painkiller and takes a whole magazine to the face.

So, I beg you, acquire a sense of decency when you play online. Also, why are you two acting like im the only one who hates this shit? Protip: the entire fan base of Modern Warfare wishes you didnt exist. You guys are shunned as much as hackers, maybe even more. And commando makes it more realistic? Dude, WHAT? How the... Whens the last time you saw a guy zip across a room clearing 5 meters like hes on roller skates?

These "whiny unwritten rules" make the game playable. If MW2 had dedicated servers you would be banned from every single one in a week, and with good reason. Boy am I going to be glad when I can finally switch to BF3. Never have to deal with you players again, just ban and play on.

A sense of decency? Don't make me laugh. I would rate myself by far more decent than most of the playerbase because I can take being killed at 24 kills while being /that/ close to a nuke. Its not like kicking a stranger in the balls, if someones going to kill me in a game, i'm going to launch a noobtube at them and kill them back. That's not being a dick with no decency, that's being competitive.

Its not like you're the only one who hates it, but you're definitely as immature as the rest of the people who hate the way I play. I use what's available to me. I don't ***** and scream at other people who "cheaply" kill me. I accept that he got the drop on me and move the hell on.

I'll see you in BF3 then, grenade launchers aren't nearly as effective and the only reason I would possibly be banned is because the admin of the server would just get tired of me killing them over and over. Which happens a fair bit.

Christ, I wish I could play online without the hassle of having to deal with people, because people suck.

Edit:

And jeez, its a game. I dunno why people get so annoyed when its COD. Nobody rages when you stick someone in halo and they just charge at you to take you with them. Nobody gets pissed when you run into a room full of people and shoot a rocket, taking you all out.

Hehe, I got a good laugh out of that post. You, owning in BF3? Yeah, thats why you use noobtubes and the UMP. Because youre good. Sure. Seriously, remember this and remind me when BF3 is released: I want to play against you. I dont think of myself as "MLG legit" or whatever the fuck wannabe pro gamers call them selfs these days, but something tells me I will give you an asswhooping you will remember for years to come.

In all my days I havent seen a single decent player who used the GL (thumpers notwithstanding). When you took that away they were all shit. Maybe you think youre a good player because you dont have to aim; anywhere in a 5 meter radius will get you a kill.

Also, very ironic that you should say that part about people sucking and all. Its almost like its opposite day. Wake up! You are the reason people wish they could play online without all the bullshit! You! With your commando and OMA! If you think people suck, maybe you should stop acting like a dick when playing online, they might become friendlier! Did you ever think of that?!?! Incredible I know!

Try it sometime. You know, just leave out the overpowered things and stop exploiting flaws in a game. Suddenly, the hate disappears.

Which is one more thing, by the way. Something about the tone of your post somehow implies Infinity Ward intended for some of these exploits to be in the game. Well, they didnt, thats why theyre called exploits. They did a damn poor job of testing and patching, but none the less, these are exploits. If you exploit flaws in a system you will get hate, no matter what game you play, no matter from what crowd. This isnt exclusive to me, the oh so immature guy who just wants to play his game properly without some asshole spawn camping him with endless grenades from the other end of the map. It is frowned upon. It is unsporting. If you respond to that with a simple "hurr i dont care if its unsporting i just play the gaem" that puts it beyond all doubt.

Oh wait, you think I only use the noob tube? Nah, course not, i'm perfectly fine using other guns. I enjoy using weak guns for challenge. Just because I enjoy every aspect that a game has to offer doesn't mean that i'm a dick for enjoying it.

Hell, I don't even use commando and aside from a few matches when I first heard about it, I never used the one man army, tube combo. I'm simply speaking up in defense of those who do. I have never heard someone using a grenade launcher scream at someone for being cheap when they get hit by a tube, neither should you.

Exploits? I don't use them. Quickscoping? Don't bother, makes it too easy. Knife? Occasionally when I feel like being quiet. Spawn killing? Why? Takes away the fun. But because I use a weapon in the game, when two people have seen eachother? Just because I happen to have it on my loadout at the time doesn't mean I shouldn't use it because of /your/ honour code.

And Protip: Using a weapon isn't an exploit. If I use the UMP then i'm using a gun. You have one, a single bullet doesn't make any difference in a game where most people camp the hell out of a map. If i'm using a grenade launcher I have two shots, don't expect me not to use it if its easier than shooting at you, I will. Its a war game, you will be shot at. If you die, its part of the game.

But no, go on, assume i'm being a dick for using weapons in a game where you're meant to be killing eachother. At the moment you're coming across as a guy who'll run up the same street six times, get shot every time then yell that the other team is camping.

And a last thing about spawnkilling. If a guy spawns in front of me and he's an enemy, do you really think it'd be wise of me to stop in the middle of my rampage and go "off you trot mate, five second rule". Course not, he'd just shoot me.

 

[pubbing]

I say bring it back to CoD1: you choose 1 of 5 or so classes and that's it.

Then you have Battlefield. I suggest you play that instead if that is your thing.

 

[CRAVE CASE 55]

I'd like the removal of ALL perks completely. NO classes, no bonuses, nothing. Just accurate weapons that everyone can use.

Theres already a modes for that in Black Ops. If done right they should implament it into MW3, it was a good mode.

That mode started in MW2 lol. so I believe the people who created it should have a easy job of tweaking it to work in MW3

Now just gotta get rid of those pesky noob toobers and quickscopers, which the devs already said quickscoping is back

 

[THEoriginalBRIEN]

BLASPHEMY!

 

[ruben6f]

Other things I don't want:
Perks
Deathstreaks
killstreaks
noobtubes
quickscoping
prone.
There you go, CoD is fixed.

Then what game are you playing, exactly? If I had to guess I would say Medal on Honor circa 1997.

Call of duty 2, it didn't had any of those things ( it had prone but I don't like it) and the game was great.

 

[ruben6f]

Other things I don't want:
Perks
Deathstreaks
killstreaks
noobtubes
quickscoping
prone.
There you go, CoD is fixed.

Then what game are you playing, exactly? If I had to guess I would say Medal on Honor circa 1997.

Call of duty 2, it didn't had any of those things ( it had prone but I don't like it) and the game was great.

Then you have zero substance. The game would die within a week because when you've seen one person using the assault class for the 140th time that game, it gets old fast. It turns into giant camp fests.

CoD 2 wasn't acamp fest while I played it, and I have seen the same thing a milion times in CoD, people hiding in corners, camping, OP weapons, spawn traps caused by OP killstreaks, noobtube and LMC classes, quickscopers, and that freaking painkiller!

 

[irani_che]

the problem with COD is that even with a reasonable number of perks there is as huge number of combinations, and all it takes is one permutation to be game-breakingly effective and suddenly everyone is using it and griefing with it

 

[metal mustache]

oh, you guys won't be happy until the only thing left in the game is a semi automatic rifle and pistol!

 

[XT inc]

A smart developer would have left it in for use in custom game types, for everyone who hated that perk there was some one who liked it and now they are mad.

Then they have to fix people spamming explosive and suiciding to get more explosives. That stupidity that was being able to nade spam control points from across the map. Lack of zombies, god forbid they bow their head and accept that people don't really see the other COD as different COD and just keep the good bits moving forward.

 

[thelonewolf266]

Thank the lord, now all they need to do is remove last stand final stand and under-slung grenade launchers then it will be sort of balanced.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

The big problem people HAVE with this is that people optimized perks and had an effective strategy. That's really a huge issue?

FUCK IT. JUST REMOVE PERKS.

I'm tired of this shit.

 

[Calico93]

YAY. This will make the game super awesome fandabbyfootastic.

* cough cough *

Okay seriously, yeah fine this will make it more balanced, but it will still be COD, and people will rage about something.

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

I'd prefer that you remove quickscoping - except not in the shitty way that Black Ops did.

Bring back Sleight of Hand so that legit snipers can still snipe properly, but remove the damn aim assist feature - thus rendering quickscoping that much harder to pull off.

OT: I never really used Commando except that I like having the ability to jump off rooftops unscathed - So, I won't really care if it goes, as long as the falling damage reduction stays in the game somewhere.

 

[WanderingFool]

The big problem people HAVE with this is that people optimized perks and had an effective strategy. That's really a huge issue?

FUCK IT. JUST REMOVE PERKS.

I'm tired of this shit.

Another idea, they could actually add cons to the perks. All the perks seem to have only pros, there isnt anything that marks a distinct disadvantage to a perk. A perk like Light Weight allows you to move faster, but there isnt any noticable difference in terms of damage you can take. Just add some kind of drawback to a perk to attempt balance. Again, with Light Weight, while you can move faster, you cant take as much damage.

Also, another idea is to kill, and I mean KILL, the pro-perk upgrade. These can end up being quite OP, such as Ghost's near total invisiblity or Second Chance's revive.

 

[Quakester]

I was never really a fan of Commando so I'm happy to see it gone.

Still, keep it or get rid of it, there's no way to make everyone happy.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Hehe, I got a good laugh out of that post. You, owning in BF3? Yeah, thats why you use noobtubes and the UMP. Because youre good. Sure. Seriously, remember this and remind me when BF3 is released: I want to play against you. I dont think of myself as "MLG legit" or whatever the fuck wannabe pro gamers call them selfs these days, but something tells me I will give you an asswhooping you will remember for years to come.

This may come as a surprise to you, but kills in Battlefield have a lot more to do with how much you think ahead and a lot less to do with how twitchy you are than in Call of Duty. Every new Battlefield release is full of CoD players unsuccessfully trying to run-and-gun, because they think the two games use the same skill-set. I know this because I was one of those players.

In all my days I havent seen a single decent player who used the GL (thumpers notwithstanding). When you took that away they were all shit. Maybe you think youre a good player because you dont have to aim; anywhere in a 5 meter radius will get you a kill.

No hardscoping. Intervention only. Final destination.

Also, very ironic that you should say that part about people sucking and all. Its almost like its opposite day. Wake up! You are the reason people wish they could play online without all the bullshit! You! With your commando and OMA! If you think people suck, maybe you should stop acting like a dick when playing online, they might become friendlier! Did you ever think of that?!?! Incredible I know!

In my experience the single worst part of the CoD community are the kids who rage when people violate the arbitrary self-enforced rules they just made up. I mean seriously, I literally got hate for double-tapping with the EBR. These kids will rage at anything that kills them that they don't use themselves.

Try it sometime. You know, just leave out the overpowered things and stop exploiting flaws in a game. Suddenly, the hate disappears.

Paper overpowered, says rock. Scissors are fine, though.

 

[OneEyeX]

Thank the lord, now all they need to do is remove last stand final stand and under-slung grenade launchers then it will be sort of balanced.

URGHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

The big problem people HAVE with this is that people optimized perks and had an effective strategy. That's really a huge issue?

FUCK IT. JUST REMOVE PERKS.

I'm tired of this shit.

OMA-Cold Blooded-Commando
UMP-Silencer
Claymores

Fucking SO much rage I'd induce. Why? Because I had a kit and knew what I was doing.

I find a lot of the stuff I'm reading is just "I don't understand the meta-game! REMOVE STUFF I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH... BECAUSE... BECAUSE!"

Black-Ops really hurt perk optimization, and hit a few other things that went along with them and it was met pretty negatively. Cause it was silly, they made it so you just pick perks based on which one has the nicest looking icon. And Ghost. Everyone use Ghost.