Have you heard about how they're behaving?Dango said:Well I do live in the suburbs of New York City, so yes, although no one outside of the city really cares.
Democracy isn't about seeking out representatives in government. And that wouldn't even work, the protests are against the government, why would the government help them?That_Sneaky_Camper said:What I find funny about these Occupy Wall Street protesters is that they seem to be ignoring how well off America is despite the global recession. Here they are with a roof over their heads and food in their bellies, and maybe if they are lucky they have a gadget or two like a computer or an iPhone. The average American walks through their streets in relative safety, go to their jobs or to school to get an education, enjoy civil liberties other countries could only dream of having, go to the shopping malls and super markets, and spend time with our loved ones everyday. People in places like Africa, and some parts of the Middle East and Asia? The people in those countries are poor as dirt and are starving, some of them are also occupied in civil wars and are controlled by oppressive governments.
America is the richest country on Earth (on average our markets make about 14 trillion dollars a year, our Military alone spends more money on National Defense than every other Military combined for perspective) and still has a high standard of living even compared to most of the world. A recession happened, Capitalism required that the free market buy and trade certain things at high levels of risk and reward and we are paying the price, and we as a nation and as a civilization are slightly inconvenienced and it certainly isn't like America is going anywhere. The markets will pick up again and we will become prosperous again and everything will be alright.
Now of course there was corruption in the markets and the government of the United States but this isn't the end of the world. These protestors aren't going to make much of a difference and would ironically enough not be helping matters by blocking an institution of trade and commerce that makes money for our economy, our country would become marginally poorer if they were to block Wall Street. If they want a change of policy these people need to be going to Congress, the White House, or their Governors, those are the people that are influential enough to change the laws that affects our society and markets. Aren't we supposed to be a Democracy, what happened to the legal process and seeking out our representatives in government?
While that is true (at least for the most part, even in wealthy countries, some people are still utterly fucked), third world countries should not be taken as the yardstick by which nations are judged. People in places like the US should be able to take many things for granted.That_Sneaky_Camper said:What I find funny about these Occupy Wall Street protesters is that they seem to be ignoring how well off America is despite the global recession. Here they are with a roof over their heads and food in their bellies, and maybe if they are lucky they have a gadget or two like a computer or an iPhone. The average American walks through their streets in relative safety, go to their jobs or to school to get an education, enjoy civil liberties other countries could only dream of having, go to the shopping malls and super markets, and spend time with our loved ones everyday. People in places like Africa, and some parts of the Middle East and Asia? The people in those countries are poor as dirt and are starving, some of them are also occupied in civil wars and are controlled by oppressive governments.
orangeban said:Democracy isn't about seeking out representatives in government. And that wouldn't even work, the protests are against the government, why would the government help them?
Democracy is about the people having a voice, being able to control their country. The occupiers are using their rights to voice their views. That is democracy.
Wikipedia said:Democracy is generally defined as a form of government in which all the people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Ideally, this includes equal (and more or less direct) participation in the proposal, development and passage of legislation into law.
According to the definition democracy implies that our voice is heard through the elected officials that we put into power. We elect people that will do what we want them to do for our economy and society as a whole, if they don't do what we want then we need to tell them and make sure not to elect them next time it comes to vote. These government officials are making decisions about our lives and we need to inform them of how we want our lives to be.Dictionary said:Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Well, they're protesting against both the market and the government. I don't really see your point, just because they aren't right outside the government's door, doesn't mean the government will ignore them.That_Sneaky_Camper said:orangeban said:Democracy isn't about seeking out representatives in government. And that wouldn't even work, the protests are against the government, why would the government help them?
Democracy is about the people having a voice, being able to control their country. The occupiers are using their rights to voice their views. That is democracy.Wikipedia said:Democracy is generally defined as a form of government in which all the people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Ideally, this includes equal (and more or less direct) participation in the proposal, development and passage of legislation into law.According to the definition democracy implies that our voice is heard through the elected officials that we put into power. We elect people that will do what we want them to do for our economy and society as a whole, if they don't do what we want then we need to tell them and make sure not to elect them next time it comes to vote. These government officials are making decisions about our lives and we need to inform them of how we want our lives to be.Dictionary said:Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
You wanna know what Wall Street is? The main financial district for the United States of America, this is a protest against the market of the United States because that is where the major market decisions for our country are made. If they wanted to protest the government they should have parked outside in front of the White House or Congress.
Isn't this sadly becoming the norm with most demonstrations and protests now though? They always get hijacked by nutters and the real message gets lost.ultimateownage said:the movement is a quarter honest protesters and three quarters complete idiots.
What it is people have finally got sick of a system that favours the rich, and evaluates worth on financial income. So they're making a stand.Capitano Segnaposto said:Can you please tell me what "Occupy" is about? From what I gathered it is just a bunch of old Hippies and "Hipsters" (God I hate them, more so than the hippies). While the Hippies apparently want to change something, at least from what I gathered, the Hipsters are just doing it for the Irony or something of that sort.Redlin5 said:Are there any near you? There is one in the city close to the town I live in but its likely going to be disbanded due to snow/homeless people taking over the camp. It did move to a new location but I don't see it going that long. So far the police haven't really had to deal with them although recently fires were banned.
Any round your parts? Any violence or is it peaceful?
Was my evaluation correct or am I far off the mark?
Please explain
orangeban explained it pretty well although I find it disorganized and a bit fractured. There are also people just using it as an excuse to spout radical ideas rather than protest the economic system.Capitano Segnaposto said:SNIP
You don't understand Algebra but you want to go into engineering?Smagmuck_ said:I also plan on studying either Majoring in EngineeringIf I can wrap my head around Algebra or in Information Technologies.
I seriously doubt this. Many of my classmates have jobs, but they still have to get food stamps just so they can eat. Doesn't mean they're not trying."What was your occupation before deciding to protest?"
"I didn't have a job, I've been on Welfare since I moved out."