[Politics] Nazis Attack LGBT Pride Parade
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Nope. I made you understand that children to not pay their souls for something they had no choice in.Saelune said:
When they start committing crimes while armed in my neck of the woods where I don't need to board a plane to do something about it, don't worry, you'll see my response then. Calling out these shitheads has been a universal thing in this thread pretty much, and I only bothered posting because you were not realizing the full extent of your own words.
No, I think the Nazis are fairly maligned. I think the police were unfairly maligned, because by my understanding the police headed off the Nazis before they could get to the Pride event and kept them physically contained until they left under the threat of arrest if they did anything remotely against the law. Upon bringing this up, I was asked about pictures circulating of someone pushed to the ground, as though this picture contradicts that view of the police presence. By saying "what about this picture" I was expecting the picture to show the Nazis getting violent and the police doing nothing to stop them. After having to dig through the internet myself for a picture than was vaguely described to me, I find out the picture shows a woman on the ground after trying to physically push back a nazi herself, so it's not clear a crime was committed, but even assuming they assaulted her, there are neither police nor the Pride crowd in the picture, which makes me think that happened before the Nazis got to the police and the police were likely unaware that had happened. So how does that picture contradict a defense of the police? I don't know.Kwak said:
More so in regard to conscription, if you did not resist conscription (i.e. submit to execution) then you are just as bad as those who were forcing the conscription upon you.McElroy said:
I believe the words were that if anyone fought for Nazi Germany then they were as bad as the Nazis, despite them not knowing exactly what crimes the Nazi regime was guilty of. According to most they were just an occupying force.
.Silvanus said:
You shouldn't try to play attorney for Saelune.
Saelune is like... the image I had when I was heavily invested in alt-right american media of the typical leftist... It surprised me they weren't all just hyperbolic nonsense. There are people that feel that the most important things in life are equality and the environment, and that all conservatives that supported Trump are racist bigots, etc. and to top it off, Saelune doesn't seem to want to engage in a discussion with the purpose of challenging their opinions.Saelune said:
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.Leg End said:
It was about German soldiers under the Nazi regime. No doubt about it.
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.Abomination said:
Agreed, with one caveat. Many regular Germans knew about what the SS units were doing in the east. The undesirables weren't deported to a different land... they were deported to the sky, in the form of ash.
You mean Saelune is literally like most of the people on the internet?TheIronRuler said:
Let's get something Clear. Saelune hasn't had an easy life. From what I recall, the home life was hard... in fact, nonexistent when Saelune admitted to being LBGTQ. Bullied, harassed, marginalized for just being true. True to how an individual was born, and feels.
As much as I seen, Saelune said more than you're responsible for Trump if you voted for Trump. And if you're republican, you're responsible for not picking a better candidate than Trump. And I think that's as fair as an assessment as Democrats and Republicans saying we Liberals and Democrats are responsible for losing 2016 because we picked Hillary Clinton. I chose Bernie, but I get it.
If a person has to fight in every second of every day, and still is having their rights decided FOR them, I understand the passion. I'm a black guy and I still go over in my head who has it rougher in this day and age. I chose one way of acting, but let it be known that it wasn't actually BY choice. If I could get loud, I might. But I know that when my voice raises to a higher level, people whip out the phones and call 911.
But let's not just try to use Saelune as a scapegoat. I got into a knock-down, drag out issue when I talked about how Christians might want to keep their holiest of days (Christmas) to be about Christmas with several people on this forum. There are Atheists here who are the spitting image of what the Faithful fear. There are all shades of people. We get into problems when we don't look at what has gone into how they are acting and why, and just look at their label and go "Ok, got it. It's because that person is one of them."
What is there to challenge? There's no discussion and no debate with people who identify with the Nazi party. These people aren't deluded about what the Nazis stood for. They know exactly what they stood for and they embrace those ideals wholeheartedly. This is not a harmless fuckin' joke. Nazi ideals are fundamentally incompatible with the modern diverse society. These people literally want to kill everyone they deem to be of lesser race or ethnicity etc. At the very least they want to deprive them of equal rights.TheIronRuler said:
There's not a whole lot of difference between Nazis and the fuckin' ISIS or any of the Islamic extremists. The only important thing differentiating them at this point is the fact that the Nazis aren't strong enough to do what Islamic extremists in the Middle East can do. They can't get away with most of that shit so they don't try. So how about we do something about it before they grow stronger? Because it is literally us (normal people aka not fuckin' Nazis) vs them. And in the good old days being a Nazi would have earned you a bullet in the head if you're fuckin' lucky. And now we're seriously debating about giving those people a platform and debating them? Absolutely not. Fuck Nazis.
.undeadsuitor said:
I've written in a previous post, one of the first I responded with to criticism over my appeal to reason. I said that if you silence the opposition you lose the ability to follow their moves and push them further to the edge. You wouldn't make it stop - you'd only make it harder to join - but if you make it illegal, you make it more radical and exciting to join as well.
This is the problem you have with me - I ask for dialogue. You're not the only person that has this problem with me. I've been to /pol/ last week for the first time partly because of your remarks. I wanted to check it out and see it for myself. If I wasn't one of their greatest enemies I would have been sucked in because it's fascinating. I realized how deluded these guys are... It made me check some of their memes, and a whole new world of conspiracies opened up for me. It was like I was a kid in a candy-shop, and every candy was a lollipop with a razor in it. I tried to take them seriously - because so many people do - and I couldn't. My take on it - they're deeply entrenched in their dream-world, and there's little you can do to pull them back if you debate them on the internet. The solution? Ah. Here is my solution. Do not push them outside of the law. Address the issues that some of these people are facing - hardships that plagued regions in America which the media and government forget to acknowledge... Drugs, unemployment, neglect... People who voted for Trump because they were in a bad spot economically and wanted to change that.
I do not think that people who voted for Trump voted for him because they were racists or bigots or whatever.
Saelune just likes to activate Godwin's law like it's a stand.
Here's the original post if you care to read it.
TheIronRuler said:
Folks, here's a crazy idea. Let's not argue or talk shit about people while they're suspended and cannot speak for themselves.
Were you suspended, would you like people talking about you during your suspension? If not, don't do it. I'm not trying to backseat mod here, just exercise some damn common decency, would you?
Were you suspended, would you like people talking about you during your suspension? If not, don't do it. I'm not trying to backseat mod here, just exercise some damn common decency, would you?
Well, they were doing that to that guy who was banned a few days ago so it's only fair in my book to have it done to them when suspended. As long as you never say anything worth suspending you over I don't think it's a concern XD.