Poll: Virginity. purity, innocence

[Lovely Mixture]

Of course Virginity is important! How else would we be able to summon demons? By using filthy non-virgin blood? Please, Demons have taste!

I think people are too assuming in this respect. I mean if they wanted virgins that much, why do they have all the succubi roaming around?

I think communication in hell must be a bit slow, so there are tons of scheduling conflicts that inevitably occur.

I mean, how do they contact Satan when he's trapped in a freakin ice cage?

 

[Woodsey]

'One thing that always made me wonder was the internets obsession over virginity.'

The internet is full of bitter, socially maladjusted virgins. That's why. And there's nothing with being a virgin, but in combination with the other two you enter this fucking nightmare scenario. Same reason everyone blows up as soon as feminism is brought up within gaming: they're afraid of girls.

I couldn't care less if I'm sleeping with someone who's banged it out before or not. In fact, I'd rather they had in order to avoid that somewhat awkward situation. Plus, you just want them to enjoy themselves and have fun.

 

[Deacon Cole]

The value placed on virginity is a primitive belief.

 

[A Weakgeek]

'One thing that always made me wonder was the internets obsession over virginity.'

The internet is full of bitter, socially maladjusted virgins.

I'm all of the three really, but my greatest wish is for a sexy pornstar to come pick me up on her magic sleigh and take me to paradise island. I mean, its alot easier to catch up to everyone else if you have someone capable doing the work with you.

EDIT: It kinda makes me sad nobody has brought up the otherside of the argument. Did I make the OP too argumental?

 

[DocMcCray]

I fully respect people who wish to stay virgins until marriage. I chose not to and don't regret it one bit.

When I married my wife, she was a virgin. One of the shy ones at that. It took a very long time to break her in, so to speak.

Before I got married, I like finding experienced woman. They were more open to different things, much less shy, and they knew what they were doing to make things pleasurable. Now that I am getting divorced (something unrelated to the sex), I fully plan on going back to finding/dating/f***ing the more experienced women.

Enough about me, on to society!

I have found that people who have little to no experience in sex tend to idolize the virgin. Mostly due to the whole societal/religious thing. I have also found that these same people, when exposed to an experienced lover, will very quickly change their minds because they understand what knowledge is worth.

I believe the reason that so many religions are so hardcore about the virginity thing is related to old scripture. However, scripture writers had extremely good reasons for valuing virginity. First and foremost is the whole STD thing. Back when these scriptures were written, there was no protection from and no cure for STDs. If they had simply written from a health class point of view, people would have scoffed and gone about their orgies. Add eternal damnation from a god into the mix and now you have incentive for people to remain virgins until marriage. Secondly is the aspect of children. Again, there was no effective birth control back in the day so sex could very well mean children. There was no well defined daycare so women had to take care of the children. If they weren't married, they couldn't take care of the child. Married women had a husband to go and work for their living. So there you go.

 

[Weaver]

I've been on the internet for a long time, and a long time 4channer (since 2005) and I have never, not once, seen this as a prevailing attitude or opinion shared by a large group of people. Individuals, sure; but most people I've encountered don't care.

 

[Sansha]

I don't believe that sex is the be-all end-all of society. It can be taken as an expression of love and passion, or just a random fuck.

I have no interest in having sex with virgins, and I don't care if a girl I date is one or not. I don't believe being a virgin makes anyone more 'pure and innocent', and I don't agree with abstinence.

I'd rather spend a night with a girl who's had more dick than she can remember than be with a virgin who's "giving herself entirely to (me)"

The people I know have vastly different sexual histories. One girl I know gets antsy if she doesn't have sex at least four times a week, another lost her virginity at age 23, another at 13. I don't think any differently of any of them, because when it comes down to it, it's just fucking. It's completely unimportant and uninteresting.

Except for making love. That shit is tight.

 

[4RT1LL3RY]

Connecting Virginity to purity and innocence doesn't make sense to me. Though being 21 and virgin doesn't bother me, I was one of the people who identified as asexual once I learned it was a thing. Sexuality is definitely something people should be aware of with themselves. Knowing what it is that you are can be a big relief off your shoulders.

So I put myself in the "Don't givva fuck" category. People should enjoy their lives, and as long as people keep it safe and consensual it shouldn't matter.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

the first time with anyone is awkward, virgin or not ... that's just the way life is.

And how appropriate that this would be your first post on the escapist. Congratulations for popping your forum cherry.

Welcome, read the rules, have fun stay out of the basement yadda yadda...

Is this general advice? Cos I need the basement. I hid all of my porn there.

 

[tardcore]

Personally find it a laughably outmoded belief concept. Sadly though some raggedy backasswards countries still believe in it to the point of committing honor killings over it.

Captcha: BBC, "describe this brand with any word(s)"

My answer: SHIT.

 

[Auron]

Virgins suck, and not the good kind. I've had one, and it's terrible especially if there's been some failed attempt before or something. Other than sheer stupidity and ignorance on the subject or just our old pal social norm influenced by millenia of patriarchal(take note sarkessian, THIS is related to the dying concept of patriarchalism.) notions and rules.

If anything I think every potential partner should just have a lot of sex before meeting me or anyone else for that matter, that some people still value virginity and it doesn't come from a twisted societal value or their parents probably can be explained by inexperience and jealousy, I thought it had some value once(mainly based on jealousy not purity.) and then I realized how immature and idiotic a feeling it was, of course that was stupid awkward teenagehood for you.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Of course Virginity is important! How else would we be able to summon demons? By using filthy non-virgin blood? Please, Demons have taste!

Well that's not entirely true . There's a group of "progressive" demons who will accept the blood of any woman, as long as she is innocent and fair.

I still stick with virgin blood, regular blood just dont have the same thrill with it.

 

[SquidSponge]

There are far more important factors when choosing a partner than their virginity status, and many people lie about it anyway. Therefore, I went for the "don't care" option.

As for the connection between virginity and innocence? Absolute bollocks. Correlation does not imply causality - many innocent people are also virgins, that doesn't mean the two are connected. The internet is full of virgins with no innocence whatsoever. For example, my innocence was gone loooong before my virginity, right about the time I foolishly decided to check out this site I'd heard about called "4Chan".

Furthermore, I think the whole fixation on it is kind of unhealthy, because what does it really matter? Presumably it's a holdout from the archaic Judaeo-Christo-Islamic biblical ways, which were written before reliable contraceptives and were designed to preserve the integrity of the male line.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

If anything I think every potential partner should just have a lot of sex before meeting me or anyone else for that matter,

...

You do understand that that's completely impossible, right?

 

[Korenith]

It is an overblown concept that is pushed by religious people as a way to control their children through fear and shame.

Its not only religious people however. For example, if you go to certain sites like 4chan thats frequently visited by certain demographic (known for their specific type of facial hair), you can see that some, mostly... unsocial people also a huge fixation on virginity, which i doubt stems from religion.

Yeah I can't explain that one, I guess they are coming from an overblown personal ego.

I think it's probably the opposite actually. Poor self-esteem means not confident in the bedroom means worried about being judged so a virgin is the perfect solution since they have no previous experiences to compare you with. Not that there won't be a few who like the idea of being the first there so to speak.

 

[MindFragged]

Woah woah woah

It is an overblown concept that is pushed by religious people as a way to control their children through fear and shame.

Its not only religious people however. For example, if you go to certain sites like 4chan thats frequently visited by certain demographic (known for their specific type of facial hair), you can see that some, mostly... unsocial people also a huge fixation on virginity, which i doubt stems from religion.

Dunno...they've all grown up in a society that's been heavily influenced by religion. Same way people say stuff like "Thank God I'm an atheist", because it's jsut one of those things.

Well, I guess thats possible. It is true that christian morals are very influencal in the western world, reagardless of ones religiousness.

Woah woah woah, let's not pin this just on religion. It maintains a large share of the sexual repression market, maybe, but the people's obsession with virginity versus is down to more than that. If you want to know why people who aren't religious might demand the virginity of their partner, it kinda hinges on one thing: are they a virgin themselves? If so, maybe they have their reasons, and maybe that bears further scrutiny. If not, they're a hypocrite who demands more from their partner than they are willing to give - ie. just an arsehole.

 

[A Weakgeek]

Woah woah woah

It is an overblown concept that is pushed by religious people as a way to control their children through fear and shame.

Its not only religious people however. For example, if you go to certain sites like 4chan thats frequently visited by certain demographic (known for their specific type of facial hair), you can see that some, mostly... unsocial people also a huge fixation on virginity, which i doubt stems from religion.

Dunno...they've all grown up in a society that's been heavily influenced by religion. Same way people say stuff like "Thank God I'm an atheist", because it's jsut one of those things.

Well, I guess thats possible. It is true that christian morals are very influencal in the western world, reagardless of ones religiousness.

Woah woah woah, let's not pin this just on religion. It maintains a large share of the sexual repression market, maybe, but the people's obsession with virginity versus is down to more than that. If you want to know why people who aren't religious might demand the virginity of their partner, it kinda hinges on one thing: are they a virgin themselves? If so, maybe they have their reasons, and maybe that bears further scrutiny. If not, they're a hypocrite who demands more from their partner than they are willing to give - ie. just an arsehole.

Well, I did suggest quite a few reasons in the op. Religion was only one of them.

 

[Fappy]

I'd prefer to be with a woman with at least a mild amount of experience and imagination (if you know what I mean). I really only think virginity is important for children. When I have my own teenagers I will make sure to let them know that sex isn't an inherently bad thing and offer suggestions regarding safe sex. However, I will also explain to them that they're really not mature enough to engage in it and that they should hold off on "going all the way" until they are absolutely sure they are ready for it. It'll be awkward for sure, but if I end up raising children with the girl I am with now I know the both of us will try to maintain an open-door policy with our kids.

She was honest with her parents about her sex life, so I think we'll expect it from our kids as well.

 

[2xDouble]

There's a great deal more to so-called "sexual repression" than belief; it's called "risk management". There are risks associated with both having and not having sex, and whether those consequences are worth the potential benefits are up to the individual.

PS: "I don't give a fuck"... heh, puns.

EDIT: It kinda makes me sad nobody has brought up the otherside of the argument. Did I make the OP too argumental?

No, your audience is horribly biased. Like kittens chasing laser pointers, all they know is that they want it.

 

[Kevlar Eater]

Spoiler

I fully respect people who wish to stay virgins until marriage. I chose not to and don't regret it one bit.

When I married my wife, she was a virgin. One of the shy ones at that. It took a very long time to break her in, so to speak.

Before I got married, I like finding experienced woman. They were more open to different things, much less shy, and they knew what they were doing to make things pleasurable. Now that I am getting divorced (something unrelated to the sex), I fully plan on going back to finding/dating/f***ing the more experienced women.

Enough about me, on to society!

I have found that people who have little to no experience in sex tend to idolize the virgin. Mostly due to the whole societal/religious thing. I have also found that these same people, when exposed to an experienced lover, will very quickly change their minds because they understand what knowledge is worth.

I believe the reason that so many religions are so hardcore about the virginity thing is related to old scripture. However, scripture writers had extremely good reasons for valuing virginity. First and foremost is the whole STD thing. Back when these scriptures were written, there was no protection from and no cure for STDs. If they had simply written from a health class point of view, people would have scoffed and gone about their orgies. Add eternal damnation from a god into the mix and now you have incentive for people to remain virgins until marriage. Secondly is the aspect of children. Again, there was no effective birth control back in the day so sex could very well mean children. There was no well defined daycare so women had to take care of the children. If they weren't married, they couldn't take care of the child. Married women had a husband to go and work for their living. So there you go.

If you don't mind me adding to what you said, virginity was also an important factor because the men involved wanted to make certain the child(ren) he was helping procreate was (were) in fact, his, and not some other dude's. Of course, paternity testing has done away with all that, but not without severing whatever trust one had with their partner. But I'd gladly sever that trust and the relationship if it meant finding out if the child my partner wanted to pin on me wasn't mine.