Say hello to the new Iron Woman

[Something Amyss]

Honestly I'd watch a film in which every single part was played by Idris Elba.

Seriously. I support more Idris Elba roles because he's Idris Elba.

I just watch the films like a filthy casual.

The films have the benefit of being more straightforward, too. While there are technically crossovers and an overall continuity, you don't even really need to watch any other movie to enjoy the two Avengers movies, while backstories and plots for comics get...dense. This is why I like the idea behind the Ultimate line or the New 52, but not so much the execution of either. Comics tend to have long publication histories. Sometimes going back to WW2. Often times having all sorts of golden and silver age weirdness attached to them (hey, Superman, remember when you could shoot miniature versions of yourself from your hand? And people thought that S-cellophane was weird in Superman 2!). Due to the nature of comics, it'll take a long time before the movies could even possibly catch up, and the nature of movies makes it unlikely they will.

I've seen the pin, but I'm about a month behind so I'm not sure if they've followed this up at all; have they actually introduced any of the Watchmen characters yet or are they planning to? 'Cause yeah, that's extra tone-deaf even for DC. Not that I'd be surprised anymore, since they put in the Batman and Superman analogs from WildStorm... into a universe that had Batman and Superman... (though, for the record, I did quite enjoy what they eventually did with Midnighter, especially once he started interacting with Dick Grayson.)

I'll spoiler the next part, because it's apparently a major ongoing deal:

Spoiler

Apparently, the New 52 universe was made by Doctor Manhattan. As far as I know, they haven't outright said it yet, but there are implications going on and they use dialogue from the end of Watchmen as they end at least one of the comics. I think that was rebirth, though, so that may be part of what you're up on.

The short answer is: probably.

I might check it out down the line, but very little of the New 52 interested me, so I'm not all that concerned.

I mean, this isn't the first time another continuity has been folded in, and adding Wildstorm was potentially interesting, but I didn't care about them much back in the 90s, so....

Well, it's totes different when the Asgardians are alie-wait...

XD

Maybe you specifically have to be aliens from outer space.

Every time someone complains anime has no new ideas I am reminded of these things american comics do. At least Nagato Yuki and Ramlethal Valentine and a bunch of other clones we not literally named Ayanami Rei. lol

And neither is she named Tony Stark. What's your point?

It's not like someone else coincidentally acquired the same powers as another hero just as that hero dies so it's less contrived that Miles Morales and he turned out great.

Except Miles is hardly the first person to develop Spider-Powers, which largely comes down to the whole bit where Pete's powers come directly from science most of the time. Yeah yeah, I know about the totem crap and Peter becoming a giant spider and giving birth to himself, but still. This is also a universe (the 1610 one specifically, but also the core one) where there are evidently multipler extant clones of Spider-Man, including Jessica Drew apparently literally being a gender swap.

Really, this is no more contrived than anything else in comics, including Stark repeatedly just deciding to stop being Iron Man as someone steps up. And honestly, I'm not sure how anyone who's ever read Spider-Man could think that a black guy getting Spider-Powers is worth even an eyebrow raise.

 

[shrekfan246]

I'll spoiler the next part, because it's apparently a major ongoing deal:

Spoiler

Apparently, the New 52 universe was made by Doctor Manhattan. As far as I know, they haven't outright said it yet, but there are implications going on and they use dialogue from the end of Watchmen as they end at least one of the comics. I think that was rebirth, though, so that may be part of what you're up on.

Psst, you missed the second part of your spoiler tag.

The short answer is: probably.

I might check it out down the line, but very little of the New 52 interested me, so I'm not all that concerned.

I mean, this isn't the first time another continuity has been folded in, and adding Wildstorm was potentially interesting, but I didn't care about them much back in the 90s, so....

Yeah, I remember that bit from the end of the main Rebirth issue, I'm just wondering if there's any information on them actually expanding further from there. Even I know that putting Watchmen characters into the mainstream DC universe is severely missing the point (though I could accept the one you mentioned simply because of his unique circumstances).

I think the New 52 was specifically geared to interest people like me, who were interested in comics but really didn't want to initially bother digging into the decades of history that was already present to try finding a decent place to jump in. So I was actually kind of a fan of most of the things that I read, and it annoys me that they're bringing the old continuity back into play just because it seems like they've run out of ideas for how to keep it going.

Well, it's totes different when the Asgardians are alie-wait...

XD

Maybe you specifically have to be aliens from outer space.

Yeah, that's it, inter-dimensional aliens aren't really aliens, right?

 

[Erttheking]

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It looks ok. She did stupid bullshit with tech that seems physically impossible? No wonder she's being pegged to pick up the Iron Man mantle.

Not a fan of the hair though. Women with long hair that wear helmets rarely works for me.

 

[vallorn]

If she keeps that hair it's either going to somehow be compressed into a helmet OR we get to see an "Iron Afro" which would be hilarious in my opinion.

 

[mojoismydog77]

Heroes are not created by their powers or even their virtues. They are created by hardship and tragity. Tony was not Iron Man until he was captured and his mentor killed, Peter Parker was not the hero we know as spider till after his uncle's death and Steve Rogers had to endure many hardships before he was worthy of the role of Captian America. Now you expect me to believe some 15-year old who recreated an Iron Man suit will be a hero. How is one going to relate to some who has the world handed to them on a silver platter? Fifteen, at MIT, probably on a scholarship what an underdog /sarc. My second qualm is that even with her 2nd rate suit she has no combative experience whats so ever. She lacks the tool to go toe to toe with any sort of half way decent villin. I have no issue with the race/gender swap but this is just not well executed.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Heroes are not created by their powers or even their virtues. They are created by hardship and tragity. Tony was not Iron Man until he was captured and his mentor killed, Peter Parker was not the hero we know as spider till after his uncle's death and Steve Rogers had to endure many hardships before he was worthy of the role of Captian America. Now you expect me to believe some 15-year old who recreated an Iron Man suit will be a hero. How is one going to relate to some who has the world handed to them on a silver platter? Fifteen, at MIT, probably on a scholarship what an underdog /sarc. My second qualm is that even with her 2nd rate suit she has no combative experience whats so ever. She lacks the tool to go toe to toe with any sort of half way decent villin. I have no issue with the race/gender swap but this is just not well executed.

Eh, that's been the same for a few bat-family sidekicks. She just needs to have one of her parents murdered, the other to remarry and them have them and their step parent murdered.

Then have an arc about how nobody likes her but grudgingly come to accept her.

Then reboot her out of existence just when she's gotten good.

 

[Lacedaemonius]

I don't care, it would depend on how the stories pan out. If they're good, then great, if they're pandering crap then no. That's not a judgement that can be made in psychic anticipation either, we all just get to wait and see.

 

[mojoismydog77]

Heroes are not created by their powers or even their virtues. They are created by hardship and tragedy. Tony was not Iron Man until he was captured and his mentor killed, Peter Parker was not the hero we know as spider till after his uncle's death and Steve Rogers had to endure many hardships before he was worthy of the role of Captian America. Now you expect me to believe some 15-year old who recreated an Iron Man suit will be a hero. How is one going to relate to some who has the world handed to them on a silver platter? Fifteen, at MIT, probably on a scholarship what an underdog /sarc. My second qualm is that even with her 2nd rate suit she has no combative experience whats so ever. She lacks the tool to go toe to toe with any sort of half way decent villain. I have no issue with the race/gender swap but this is just not well executed.

Eh, that's been the same for a few bat-family sidekicks. She just needs to have one of her parents murdered, the other to remarry and them have them and their step parent murdered.

Then have an arc about how nobody likes her but grudgingly come to accept her.

Then reboot her out of existence just when she's gotten good.

I guess you are right but I feel like all the bat-family sidekicks have at least had some sort of hardship. I may regret saying this but this girl is uber privleged. Instead of forging her own path she just copied another's.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Heroes are not created by their powers or even their virtues. They are created by hardship and tragedy. Tony was not Iron Man until he was captured and his mentor killed, Peter Parker was not the hero we know as spider till after his uncle's death and Steve Rogers had to endure many hardships before he was worthy of the role of Captian America. Now you expect me to believe some 15-year old who recreated an Iron Man suit will be a hero. How is one going to relate to some who has the world handed to them on a silver platter? Fifteen, at MIT, probably on a scholarship what an underdog /sarc. My second qualm is that even with her 2nd rate suit she has no combative experience whats so ever. She lacks the tool to go toe to toe with any sort of half way decent villain. I have no issue with the race/gender swap but this is just not well executed.

Eh, that's been the same for a few bat-family sidekicks. She just needs to have one of her parents murdered, the other to remarry and them have them and their step parent murdered.

Then have an arc about how nobody likes her but grudgingly come to accept her.

Then reboot her out of existence just when she's gotten good.

I guess you are right but I feel like all the bat-family sidekicks have at least had some sort of hardship. I may regret saying this but this girl is uber privleged. Instead of forging her own path she just copied another's.

So was Tim Drake. Hell, Bruce Wayne as well. A few murders will solve everything.

Alternatively, they could be "edgy" and have her sexually assaulted into a heroine. Hopefully they'll avoid this.

 

[mojoismydog77]

Heroes are not created by their powers or even their virtues. They are created by hardship and tragity. Tony was not Iron Man until he was captured and his mentor killed, Peter Parker was not the hero we know as spider till after his uncle's death and Steve Rogers had to endure many hardships before he was worthy of the role of Captian America. Now you expect me to believe some 15-year old who recreated an Iron Man suit will be a hero. How is one going to relate to some who has the world handed to them on a silver platter? Fifteen, at MIT, probably on a scholarship what an underdog /sarc. My second qualm is that even with her 2nd rate suit she has no combative experience whats so ever. She lacks the tool to go toe to toe with any sort of half way decent villin. I have no issue with the race/gender swap but this is just not well executed.

well its a good thing we know absolutely nothing about her outside of her name, where she goes to school, and something involving iron man armor

wouldn't want to rush to conclusions by filling in massive gaps with our own tainted preconceptions would we

You have a very valid point especially on the tragedy (most due to lack of knowledge) part, however, I have to hold firm on the combat argument. How is a 15-year-old who must have invested a lot of time to her pursuit of knowledge (which is a perfectly noble thing to do) going told hold up toe to toe with Iron Man's rich library of villains? I am concerned that the writers will nerf the villains to make her appear more powerful. I hope that Marvel makes me eat my words in a few months, I really do.

 

[mojoismydog77]

Heroes are not created by their powers or even their virtues. They are created by hardship and tragedy. Tony was not Iron Man until he was captured and his mentor killed, Peter Parker was not the hero we know as spider till after his uncle's death and Steve Rogers had to endure many hardships before he was worthy of the role of Captian America. Now you expect me to believe some 15-year old who recreated an Iron Man suit will be a hero. How is one going to relate to some who has the world handed to them on a silver platter? Fifteen, at MIT, probably on a scholarship what an underdog /sarc. My second qualm is that even with her 2nd rate suit she has no combative experience whats so ever. She lacks the tool to go toe to toe with any sort of half way decent villain. I have no issue with the race/gender swap but this is just not well executed.

Eh, that's been the same for a few bat-family sidekicks. She just needs to have one of her parents murdered, the other to remarry and them have them and their step parent murdered.

Then have an arc about how nobody likes her but grudgingly come to accept her.

Then reboot her out of existence just when she's gotten good.

I guess you are right but I feel like all the bat-family sidekicks have at least had some sort of hardship. I may regret saying this but this girl is uber privleged. Instead of forging her own path she just copied another's.

So was Tim Drake. Hell, Bruce Wayne as well. A few murders will solve everything.

Alternatively, they could be "edgy" and have her sexually assaulted into a heroine. Hopefully they'll avoid this.

Good point. I don't think Marvel will go down that path. They have hopefully learned from past mistakes and this would definitely go against the general tone most of their comics have right now.

 

[Jarrito3002]

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It looks ok. She did stupid bullshit with tech that seems physically impossible? No wonder she's being pegged to pick up the Iron Man mantle.

Not a fan of the hair though. Women with long hair that wear helmets rarely works for me.

Hey now we can commonly argue the "politics" of these all day and like reasonable human beings.

But is you insult the hair there will be problems.

Joking but I say just make some nanomachine nonsense and call it a day.

 

[Roboshi]

Anyone remember in the 90's when all the superheroes were dying and being replaced with "Darker" and "More Xtreme" versions, I feel we've come to that sorta era, and I believe the same thing will happen. The old versions will return with the new versions sticking around in support roles if they get popular. As said before she'll probably end up as an Iron Woman.

That said Iron man is the best suited (no pun intended) to having these sorts of changes to the person behind the mask. Though I would hope this new character is at least somewhat intelligent as that is a major part of iron man.

These sorts of changes are made to generated traffic, clicks and news stories it's all about publicity and I just wished these stunts were a few more crazy things and a few less revamped characters they think we'd like.

 

[Fox12]

Technically speaking, at least of what I've read so far, they're just wrapping bits of the pre-Flashpoint universe back into the New 52 universe.

Because that doesn't make things hilariously convoluted or anything.

It's comics. There's so much continuity that even Hindsight Lad has a convoluted history.

I just wish they didn't get Watchmen involved in this.

Wait, how did they manage to get Watchmen involved in this?

 

[happyninja42]

Heroes are not created by their powers or even their virtues. They are created by hardship and tragity. Tony was not Iron Man until he was captured and his mentor killed, Peter Parker was not the hero we know as spider till after his uncle's death and Steve Rogers had to endure many hardships before he was worthy of the role of Captian America. Now you expect me to believe some 15-year old who recreated an Iron Man suit will be a hero. How is one going to relate to some who has the world handed to them on a silver platter? Fifteen, at MIT, probably on a scholarship what an underdog /sarc. My second qualm is that even with her 2nd rate suit she has no combative experience whats so ever. She lacks the tool to go toe to toe with any sort of half way decent villin. I have no issue with the race/gender swap but this is just not well executed.

well its a good thing we know absolutely nothing about her outside of her name, where she goes to school, and something involving iron man armor

wouldn't want to rush to conclusions by filling in massive gaps with our own tainted preconceptions would we

You have a very valid point especially on the tragedy (most due to lack of knowledge) part, however, I have to hold firm on the combat argument. How is a 15-year-old who must have invested a lot of time to her pursuit of knowledge (which is a perfectly noble thing to do) going told hold up toe to toe with Iron Man's rich library of villains? I am concerned that the writers will nerf the villains to make her appear more powerful. I hope that Marvel makes me eat my words in a few months, I really do.

They'll probably do what they did with a middle aged alchoholic billionaire playboy philanthropist who had zero combat experience when he put on the Iron Man suit....she'll use superior technology to offset any physical limitations she might have, and use her mind to think her way out of difficult problems. Almost like the original Iron Man. Besides, there's nothing saying she didn't also take some combat training in school. That shit is ubiquitous, even stuff like Krav Maga and other seriously lethal styles. Hell I was one rank away from being a black belt by the time I was 12, and I played soccer and baseball, and was in the Boy Scouts. No reason she can't have multiple activities too.

 

[Trunkage]

It's a good thing that everybody knows women can't harness the powers of the god of thunder.

On a more serious note, it never ceases to amaze me how many complaints there were that Idris Elba as Heimdal and Thor, Goddess of Thunder were to people with actual Norse beliefs. I mean, apparently, it's okay to say that foolish primitive humans got everything wrong, as long as the gods are both white and male.

Also, nobody was really concerned that Stargate made Thor a three foot tall grey alien who liked to grope Sam Carter.

Oh shit, Heimdall was a girl in that. Run, before the "totally not sexist, but" folks find out!

Yes but Thor wasn't female in Stargate so it's all okay. If he was female there would have been hell to pay

 

[Trunkage]

Ok, well, passing out Iron Man suits isn't new (War Machine, Rescue aka Pepper Potts, Scarlet Spider) but why does Tony need to be...replaced? Let her be Iron Woman, give her a suit, even if its clearly pandering, but why does Tony need to stand down?

This isn't like Spider-Man or Ms. Marvel, so I'm not going to flip out like I usually do, but it is a bit on the nose with the clear history of over-progressiveness. Is she a lesbian too?

"?Why do we need Riri Williams we already have Miles?? that?s a weird thing to say. They?re individuals just like Captain America and Cyclops are individuals."

Then treat them like individuals and stop relying on established characters and aliases and let these new characters stand on their own. Id be down for more black/female/gay/trans characters, but let them be new original characters. I don't want a race/gender swapped mirror image of the Avengers, but that's what you are doing. Captain America (Though Falcon taking over I am actually 100% fine with cause he earned it and stood as his own character since the 70s), Iron Woman, Arab teen Ms.Marvel, black Spider-Man (Miles), X-23, female Thor (though learning that its Jane is more ok, but her refusal to cure her cancer is dumb). I'm guessing Hulk and Hawkeye are next.

When X-Men's original cast got replaced by an intentionally diverse new group, they were their own characters. They didn't turn Beast or Cyclops into women, or Jean black. They instead gave us Nightcrawler, Storm, and Colossus.

I'm fine with diversity, but I'm not fine with shitty writing and shitty character development, or lack of it.

Tony's being replaced is just like a new recipe for Coke. It'll taste better when the original comes back (because you know he is)

 

[Areloch]

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It looks ok. She did stupid bullshit with tech that seems physically impossible? No wonder she's being pegged to pick up the Iron Man mantle.

Not a fan of the hair though. Women with long hair that wear helmets rarely works for me.

Hey now we can commonly argue the "politics" of these all day and like reasonable human beings.

But is you insult the hair there will be problems.

Joking but I say just make some nanomachine nonsense and call it a day.

Frankly, if it doesn't turn out her hair turns into the armor, I'll be disappointed.

 

[WolfThomas]

Heh. A lot of people in this thread don't know the Hulk is now Korean. Amadeus Cho is the new Hulk. This isn't so bad because he is basically the Tim Drake of Hulk sidekicks (Rick Jones being the Dick Grayson). He's been around for years as a precocious teen prodigy. Had a great team up series with Hercules. Was amazing in Savage Wolverine. And now is a really fun Hulk.

 

[Redd the Sock]

Why does every time this stuff comes up all I get is deja vu:

first it's Thor as a woman

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Thor_Odinson_(Earth-9997)

Then Cap was Evil all along

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/The_Crossing

after Falcon AKA Black Cap

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley_(Earth-616)

Now it's black woman version of Iron Man

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Maiden_(Karen)_(Earth-9997)

which is an added diversity point from the white moan

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Antoinette_Stark_(Earth-2301)

Come on Marvel, if you're going to rip off yourself from 15 - 20 years ago at least go back to claiming Earth X was the future of 616. Fans would love the speculation, and it's an Inhumans heavy story. You like the Inhumans now right?

More OT: just another reminder why I'm not reading Marvel right now. Character shifts are usually dicey enough. Sorry. Iron Man isn't a character. Tony Stark is. I completely get why someone happy reading about Tony's adventures would be upset that someone else is shanghaiing the book. It's like going to a burger joint and being given a pizza. You might like both, but you came for one, and would have gone elsewhere if you wanted the other. It's why people gave up Green Lantern when Kyle Rayner took over, and why I gave up when Hal took it back. It's why no one read Thunderbolts when the "supervillains trying to do good" thing was cut for a supervillain fight club, or why no one remembers that group of Teen Titans that were alien teenagers instead of former sidekicks. We read what we like and aren't married to a brand name enough to hang around if you stick it haphazardly on something else.

This just comes off as rushed, and a lame attempt to keep the controversy up. It's making me miss the 90s where, while things could get derivative, at least there were attempts to make new characters with unique identities instead of characters that will likely never be seen as more than the token minority replacement for a white male hero. Remember Jim Rhodes wouldn't have his own identity of War Machine for a decade after replacing Tony for a bit in the 80s.

Me, just less to be guilty about not buying Marvel books, and freeing up the budget for Zenoscope, Dynamite, and Manga.