Binnsyboy said:*ahem*Nouw said:They are silly people, ignore them and enjoy your fat-stacks.
I believe it's spelled "phat".
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Fraud? I don't exactly get deceived into thinking I'll get a return if I give a beggar some money. Things are crystal clear - you give a beggar money, you know you're not seeing it again. There's no deception. So it can't be fraud.CrossLOPER said:OK. It's not a real job, because it is not a job; it's fraud.Yopaz said:This comes from personal experience so sadly I can't provide you with any good sources here. You might not believe it, but it happens.CrossLOPER said:Source, please.Yopaz said:There are people managing to live quite well by begging.
Now you ignored my question there. Let's say that hypothetically some people manage to get by from begging. Is that a real job? You know, if you had answered that question to begin with you wouldn't have had a low content post, just saying.
oh yes, sorry not trying to dismiss your point, i just saw you asked for a source and i knew that there WAS something out there that i had read/seen before, so just was adding some feedbackCrossLOPER said:Most of the beggars I've seen are emaciated and sometimes clearly addicts. This is romanticizing a hideous existence based on a handful of individuals.
I am bugging my congressmen and representatives, to pass legislation to automatically give good credit points to people every year they do not have debt. Trying to get others to join me.Aramis Night said:snip
I'm not in debt to anyone for anything(something credit agencies seem to despise. Whenever they run a background check on my credit it comes out with a bad credit score because its blank). I live within my means and have been given no handouts, or benefits of any kind.
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I would love it if my lack of debt would reflect well on my credit score. But i don't think that passing laws is the answer. It just shows that credit scores are less of an indication of risk and more an indication of potential profit for lending agencies. If you do not have debt and are driven to stay debt free, than any lenders you deal with don't stand to make much money on interest dealing with you and have no incentive to do so.Gilhelmi said:I am bugging my congressmen and representatives, to pass legislation to automatically give good credit points to people every year they do not have debt. Trying to get others to join me.Aramis Night said:snip
I'm not in debt to anyone for anything(something credit agencies seem to despise. Whenever they run a background check on my credit it comes out with a bad credit score because its blank). I live within my means and have been given no handouts, or benefits of any kind.
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I am thinking about getting more involved in politics just to bug people to fix problems like this. It is good too see other fiscal conservatives out there (Note: I said FISCAL, just nipping the dozen people hating on me for saying the "C" word)
I disagree. You can do illegal things and it be a job. It's just illegal.Binnsyboy said:OT: If you do something, and are paid for it, and it is neither illegal nor the act of receiving benefits/welfare, then you, my friend, have a job.
And who makes sure there's a financial system and a pension for the teachers? Let's not forget here that cogs don't turn well without oil, no matter how precisely they fit.King Aragorn said:Well then, may I ask why don't you like it? I don't see what's wrong with that myself.gmaverick019 said:eh while i think the entertainment industry is way over valued sometimes in terms of how much some people make, they are all DEFINITELY real jobs
(and don't quote me with "blah blah people are willing to pay blah blah" crap, i understand all of it, doesn't mean i have to like it.)
Hmm...I wonder who teached him finance and banking...Jamieson 90 said:I get this all the time off my brother who's in finance and banking. "Teaching isn't a real job and you need to get in the real world."
My response:
"Yeah well at least teachers contribute to society rather than ruining our economy."
Oh wait, teachers!
Then don't forget that sometimes one isn't homeless because they have no house; they're homeless because they're too coked out or drunk to find it. My brother was this, til we figured out where he went.CrossLOPER said:OK. It's not a real job, because it is not a job; it's fraud.Yopaz said:This comes from personal experience so sadly I can't provide you with any good sources here. You might not believe it, but it happens.CrossLOPER said:Source, please.Yopaz said:There are people managing to live quite well by begging.
Now you ignored my question there. Let's say that hypothetically some people manage to get by from begging. Is that a real job? You know, if you had answered that question to begin with you wouldn't have had a low content post, just saying.
Most of the beggars I've seen are emaciated and sometimes clearly addicts. This is romanticizing a hideous existence based on a handful of individuals.gmaverick019 said:just one of manyCrossLOPER said:Source, please.Yopaz said:There are people managing to live quite well by begging.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/shane-warren-speegle-says_n_1694577.html
i can't remember the show, but they followed this guy home one day and he walked into his house with a fucking bmw convertible out front.
you'd be surprised in which cities beggars can make some bank in.
And for all the people willing to pay for the tickets, we should confiscate that money? Keep in mind, that may be nearly a 99% tax, which no country in its right mind would be willing to pass. Supply and demand can only be thwarted artificially through suppression, confiscation, and redistribution. Is capitalism broken, or is it a mirror of society itself, which doesn't know what it should value?Alandoril said:Well, going by the impression I get from game developers they certainly seem to think that writing isn't a real job.
Currently I work in a pharmacy dispensing medication to people who need it to control problematic conditions, yet I earn £6000 a year whilst someone who kicks a ball around a field can earn £600,000 a week. Not saying I should earn that much because no one, no matter what they do, should. But it is evidence that capitalism is entirely broken.
Then again, neither does the finance or banking industry. Only misuse of the finance and banking industries by both corporations AND the customers. Funny how the customer bit always gets left out when people moan, no accountability nowadays.Jamieson 90 said:I get this all the time off my brother who's in finance and banking. "Teaching isn't a real job and you need to get in the real world."
My response:
"Yeah well at least teachers contribute to society rather than ruining our economy."
Not broken, just weird. Pay has nothing to do with the value of the service you provide and everything to do with how replaceable you are. Basically capitalism is all about leverage. It's ugly but the system works.Alandoril said:Well, going by the impression I get from game developers they certainly seem to think that writing isn't a real job.
Currently I work in a pharmacy dispensing medication to people who need it to control problematic conditions, yet I earn £6000 a year whilst someone who kicks a ball around a field can earn £600,000 a week. Not saying I should earn that much because no one, no matter what they do, should. But it is evidence that capitalism is entirely broken.
The "bad credit rating" is more to do with the fact you can't consistently prove that you can pay back within your means, rather than profit making. Some people who massively borrow can have a great credit rating, as can people who borrow very little - the rating isn't dependent on size of debt, or potential profit, but the risk of you taking out a first time loan and never being able to pay it back because you're not used to it (or you already have allocated your monthly renumeration, like salary).Aramis Night said:I would love it if my lack of debt would reflect well on my credit score. But i don't think that passing laws is the answer. It just shows that credit scores are less of an indication of risk and more an indication of potential profit for lending agencies. If you do not have debt and are driven to stay debt free, than any lenders you deal with don't stand to make much money on interest dealing with you and have no incentive to do so.Gilhelmi said:I am bugging my congressmen and representatives, to pass legislation to automatically give good credit points to people every year they do not have debt. Trying to get others to join me.Aramis Night said:snip
I'm not in debt to anyone for anything(something credit agencies seem to despise. Whenever they run a background check on my credit it comes out with a bad credit score because its blank). I live within my means and have been given no handouts, or benefits of any kind.
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I am thinking about getting more involved in politics just to bug people to fix problems like this. It is good too see other fiscal conservatives out there (Note: I said FISCAL, just nipping the dozen people hating on me for saying the "C" word)
One solution i would like to see is credit scores being information beyond the reach of any businesses that are not lenders and only with your permission to obtain a loan or credit. Living within your means could in some fields actually cost you promotions because some employers do credit checks.
Oh and don't worry. I'm not offended by the notion of being related to fiscal conservatism. My positions are varied, but i'll admit that fiscal conservatives have a lot of good points. I'll take that as a compliment![]()