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Much like transitions, the vast majority of sexual orientation change efforts were entered into voluntarily by people whom doctors had told that they had a pathology that needed treatment. You have an image in your head of gay people strapped down and electrocuted against their will, but people did that just as willingly as "medical transitions" now.
With regards to sexual orientation "treatments" being entered voluntarily, when your identity is criminalized or otherwise persecuted (like same sex sexual activity was for the vast majority of US history) it's difficult to claim that entering into these treatments wasn't coerced. People don't like to be seen and treated as abnormal.

Acceptance of people's identities would cause the number of voluntary "sexual orientation change efforts" (as you put it) to decrease, but the number of gender transitions to increase, but you're comparing these two things as if they're somehow equal.
 

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Boy this thread sure devolved quickly into one of the few talking points the GOP still has since they do nothing for the economy, healthcare, or environment. "soul of America" is the war now.
 
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Don't you know the west is lost if a couple dozen kids get gender surgery in a country of 380 million people?

Ignore that a significant chunk of a major metropolitan city has been without power for 2 goddamned weeks during a Texas heatwave due to a minor hurricane, it's them queers we need to focus on

Might as well close the thread, honestly. Basically zero people care that Trump almost got shot, which is fucking hilarious in its own right.
 

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Has anyone heard for certain if the ladder that appears to have been used by the shooter was attached to the building or not? That the shooter didn't bring it as it was already affixed there to aid in rooftop maintenance? I've heard from both points of view on this one. The point being, if the shooter did bring the ladder, how did that not alarm security? But no definite answer to this question I've found so far.

I don't think I saw it mentioned in this thread, Biden told his people less than a week earlier it was time to put Trump in a bullseye. Unsettling.

EDIT: Also strange, " Embattled Secret Service director Kimberly Cheatle has a bizarre explanation for the agency's failure to secure the rooftop used by the shooter who attempted to assassinate former president Donald Trump over the weekend. “That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. "

EDIT: NYT video is pretty good recounting of the incident
 
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It's difficult not to see the dissonance in being ready and willing to believe there's a secrete service conspiracy to kill the former president, but being unwilling to accept that the former president ran a scheme to syphon money from his charity, ran a scam university defrauding students, attempted to blackmail Ukraine, improperly stored classified documents and used them to gain leverage with former agents among many other schemes and scandals.

It just seems odd to me that none of those things are possible, but the secrets service intentionally understaffed security at a Trump event, and coordinated a scenario in which they hired a teenager to kill him? Is that the conspiracy?

and it's not at all possible that Trumps team did the bare minimum to fund and co-ordinate security for the rallys, which Trump has near daily and secret service agents simply underperformed.
Hillary never became president though.
Or have I slipped into another of Mandela effect reality?

(I somewhat jest because Hillary never did the university scheme scam thing and that we know of only improperly stores emails on a basically unsecured home private server..........)
 

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Well the Republicans have no to blame, but themselves for letting in these type of conspiracy nuts into their fold in the first place. An infinite hell they created for themselves. They deserve people like Thomas Crooks. Nobody ever wants to take the responsibility.
So why is it the Democrat supporters making up the conspiracies then not the Republicans this time?
 

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I can not believe I am about to say this. Destiny the streamer is correct about conservative bad-faith arguments.
I'm sorry but that's Vaush the loli horse porn guy who has a history of a very antagonistic relationship between him and destiny, the same guy who is on record and saying he doesn't have solid principals and will change is stance as needed to "win" the optics battle rather than one of ideological consistency.



Ill export the text later, but essentially investigators found a lot of conflicting evidence regarding his social life, but it looks to likely a fame thing. He was researching a lot of political figures across the spectrum and posted on steam that he was "making his debut" on the 13th.

For those not familiar with my earlier video Peter Gabriel wrote a song called "family snapshot" based on the attempted assassination of George Wallace by Arthur Bremer. It ultimately was just a way to get famous and I think that's gonna be the summary found here.

It looks like Crooks was probably an anti-trump republican teen looking to get attention and the opportunity presented itself.
Wait so my joke about getting some college commie girl to like him might have been close to on the money.

Man I've gotta stop making stupid off the wall joke predicts. It was bad enough I predicted porn games coming to Steam lol


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Trump wouldn't think twice to implement policies that would literally get people killed (specifically friends of mine who are transgender and would no longer be allowed to get the drugs/surgeries needed to transition even though they are full grown adults) and you want me to shed a tear because someone took a shot at him?

I am shedding a tear...that the loser somehow managed to miss a relatively easy shot with a weapon that Trump and his ilk celebrate when they're used to mow down children at schools. Fuck Trump and hopefully the next person who takes a shot doesn't suck at shooting.

Like holy fuck dude.

The guy who died was a firefighter, who died protecting his family pushing them down and getting shot before he could get down too.

Like is the standard to be deemed a piece of shit so low that a couple of dumb tweets the guy made while alive undo all the good and selfless actions he's ever done now?

Destiny's comments are also bullshit and shows how far left or right ideologies completely shatter your basic human empathies. He is the perfect example of someone who goes so far to one side that they can't image their side doing anything wrong and will happily condone fucking murder so long as it's against someone who disagrees with him. How fucked of a mindset do you need to have?
With the Destiny thing I think the real line crossing bit is that he was mocking the victim who died.
 
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And that's still their choice and none of your business. The government shouldn't be trying to protect people from themselves.
So if the GOP removed the age limit to buy cigarettes it would be fine? Governments shouldn't be trying to protect people from themselves right?

The issue comes in when it is in regards to peoples ages also plenty of drugs are made illegal due to the rapid harm they can cause people.
And here's where your ego shines through. You just can't consider transgender care to be anything but "messing people up", because it makes them different from what you think they ought to be. And you think that you know better what people ought to be than they do, because (your sick, twisted, pathetic idea of) God says so.

There. That argument's done; Tstorm loses, as always. Let's get back to the topic.
No in context Tstorms argument makes sense as like it or not what was the leading researcher on Transgender care did show instances of individuals who were referred who actually turned out to be gay or otherwise gender non conforming (note: This is not the same as non-binary but is being used as evidence to create non binary identities to define what was previously just stuff like Fem-boys and Tom-boys)


Example of politics as a religion. It'll also be a week or 2 until the democrats call Trump a threat to democracy and fascist again. Neither side cares about uniting people because none of them want that. You should point out every time it happens vs just when the other side does it.

What conspiracy theories?
So far we have:

It was staged to make Trump appear stronger.
The shooter was a pedophile hunter after Trump because he found out secret information from the Epstein papers.
Trump didn't get clipped by a bullet he cut his own ear with a razor blade to make it seem like he was injured for support.
 
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Acceptance of people's identities would cause the number of voluntary "sexual orientation change efforts" (as you put it) to decrease, but the number of gender transitions to increase, but you're comparing these two things as if they're somehow equal.
Actual acceptance would drive both things to zero. If you could just accept people as people, there is no such thing as gender identity.
 

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You don't even think about things, you are so blindly partisan.
This may be completely alien to you, but the politics of this are incidental to me-- because I actually interact with people in the queer community frequently and listen to them (including trans people). That came first.

For you, its transparent that the politics come first, and engagement with actual trans people doesn't occur at all. You don't really grasp what these concepts are; they've morphed into some twisted monster in your head.

Imagine a Republican suggesting we drug kids who don't act the way we want them to. It is psychotic, and some day maybe you'll notice.
Still failing to grasp even the most basic principles of gender affirming care. Maybe one day you'll put some effort into understanding what something is before ascribing a moronic strawman to it and then getting furious at it.
 
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This may be completely alien to you, but the politics of this are incidental to me-- because I actually interact with people in the queer community frequently and listen to them (including trans people). That came first.

For you, its transparent that the politics come first, and engagement with actual trans people doesn't occur at all. You don't really grasp what these concepts are; they've morphed into some twisted monster in your head.
Politics created this monster, you can't have any experience with you that came before the politics. Trans theory is trying to catagorize people into different tribes based on otherwise normal human feelings. It is the invention of interest groups. The politics is inherent regardless of which party is saying what.

There's no such thing as "trans people", there's no such thing as "queer people", there's no such thing as "gay people", gender and sexuality are descriptions of things people do, they aren't things you can be. And while I appreciate that movements to sort people out this way historically come more from bigots than the people being sorted out, that's no excuse to perpetuate the lies. You perpetuate the lies of bigots that drive people to despair, and feel yourself righteous because you pity them. Just drop the lies.
 

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Politics created this monster, you can't have any experience with you that came before the politics. Trans theory is trying to catagorize people into different tribes based on otherwise normal human feelings. It is the invention of interest groups. The politics is inherent regardless of which party is saying what.

There's no such thing as "trans people", there's no such thing as "queer people", there's no such thing as "gay people", gender and sexuality are descriptions of things people do, they aren't things you can be. And while I appreciate that movements to sort people out this way historically come more from bigots than the people being sorted out, that's no excuse to perpetuate the lies. You perpetuate the lies of bigots that drive people to despair, and feel yourself righteous because you pity them. Just drop the lies.
What lies?
 

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What conspiracy theories?
So far we have:
It was staged to make Trump appear stronger.
The shooter was a pedophile hunter after Trump because he found out secret information from the Epstein papers.
Trump didn't get clipped by a bullet he cut his own ear with a razor blade to make it seem like he was injured for support.
Also, why was there no blood on Trump's collar. I noted that he immediately dropped to all 4s, causing blood to run down his face towards his mouth, which it did.
Another asked why his ear wasn't blown clean off. I'd think it wouldn't necessarily do so depending how much a glancing impact there was.
I am looking for a definitive answer to the question, has anyone heard for certain if the ladder that appears to have been used by the shooter was attached to the building or not? That the shooter didn't bring it as it was already affixed there to aid in rooftop maintenance? I've heard from both points of view on this one. The point being, if the shooter did bring the ladder, how did that not alarm security? But no definite answer to this question I've found so far.

MAGA has their own conspiracy theories:

I don't think I saw it mentioned in this thread, Biden told his people less than a week earlier it was time to put Trump in a bullseye. Unsettling.

Also strange, " Embattled Secret Service director Kimberly Cheatle has a bizarre explanation for the agency's failure to secure the rooftop used by the shooter who attempted to assassinate former president Donald Trump over the weekend. “That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. "
 
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Like holy fuck dude.

The guy who died was a firefighter, who died protecting his family pushing them down and getting shot before he could get down too.

Like is the standard to be deemed a piece of shit so low that a couple of dumb tweets the guy made while alive undo all the good and selfless actions he's ever done now?
I didn't say anything about the firefighter, I said I'm sad that the assassin missed Trump.

Hell, had the guy not missed, your firefighter would still be alive.
 

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What lies?
That, for example, if a man finds another man attractive, it makes that first man a different classification of person. It like a modern take on ancient tribes, divided among the minorest of perceived distinctions.
 
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For you, its transparent that the politics come first, and engagement with actual trans people doesn't occur at all. You don't really grasp what these concepts are; they've morphed into some twisted monster in your head.
OK so the last trans person I knew personally went the following.

Straight girl (dated my best friend for years before breaking up)
Went to University
2nd year of university after a failed relationship there decided she was a lesbian
End of university they'd decided they were actually a a guy trapped in a girls body and were Trans
2 years on fully transitioned to being a man, complete with doing some stereotypical "I'm a man" things like growing a moustache and riding and buying a motorbike.
1 year later stopped identifying as a man and shaved off the moustache now identifying as a non binary individual.
1 year later apparently they're very messed up and now wish they never went away from being a woman.

And this was some-one who wasn't the most feminine but wasn't full on tomboy either. If I had to take a guess it's the crowd she fell in with at Uni and her own insecurities mixing as funnily enough 5 of her friends group (of7 including her at uni) all came out as lesbian in the same year then all decided the year after they were actually trans.


Still failing to grasp even the most basic principles of gender affirming care. Maybe one day you'll put some effort into understanding what something is before ascribing a moronic strawman to it and then getting furious at it.
Nah dudes got a point Dr Kenneth J. Zucker research supported the idea of a cautious approach and part of his downfall (he was a former leading researcher who helped pioneer much of gender affirming care) was suggesting people were rushing to conclusions and medicating first rather than asking questions and was worried people were trying to act under the belief of their actions were good and right and rushing straight ahead based on those beliefs rather than stopping and doing the actually good thing for the patient in the long run and taking a little more time to check over things.

Oh and before we get the "No-one has been jumping the gun" reply.


Telling kids stuff is reversible. Sending stuff to kids without parents knowledge (doing medical care / work on an underage person without consent or immediate need such as treat to life)

Material from Mermaids was very much reinforcing strict gender divides and suggesting anyone outside of them (Tomboys, boys who likes cooking or were feminine in any way) were potentially trans and should be referred to check and for possible treatment


Oh and we had the case against Travistock


And there's the NHS review into services at present


Oh and didn't Labour recently block the use of puberty blockers for the foreseeable future?

This is before we get into the less reported on (at least that I could find) claims around Mermaids and others about them

Oh and lets not forget the unlicensed GenderGP stuff whose founder is facing prosecution in the UK for their activities


That also goes into the idea of pushing for no psychological assessment before the surgeries

People who are Trans based on the Dr Verma's (leading neurology researcher) research and or proper psychological evaluation with understanding of present lets say influences and issues then sure gender affirming care should be done but there very much is concern people are being railroaded and no-one is saying stop at any point just to check.

What Tstorm is hitting on to call out here though not as directly is that the progressive position that gender is entirely a social construct and is not and has never been based on sexual differences as such. Oh and Dr Verma's research is why I disagree with that so called progressive position because Dr Vermas research holds weight.