Valve Confirms DotA 2 for 2011
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Yes because adding cosmetic items really breaks the game.Caliostro said:
OT: I'm looking forward to this, I loved playing the original DOTA, and it should beintersting to see what valve do with it on their first outing to RTS territory.
You do know Icefrog is the guy who owns DOTA right? So what we have here, is Icefrog (the guy who owns DOTA) is making a suped up sequal to an IP he owns, damn him! It was Icefrogs idea to copyright it, so I'd quell your misinformed rage because it makes you look like a complete tool.Grilled Cheesus said:
I find this split in the valve fanbase a little odd between the people who like the idea of Valve putting out a DoTA game and the people who only believe that the only thing Valve should do is Ep. 3
Why cant people just be happy that Valve is taking a game that I personally enjoy and making it awesome and it will be awesome since Valve is made of win.
Why cant people just be happy that Valve is taking a game that I personally enjoy and making it awesome and it will be awesome since Valve is made of win.
Okay. I did mistype in saying 'created'. He didn't start the DotA franchise, but he essentially took over and now effectively owns it where the original creator left off. (after he joined Riot to make LoL, which is NOT related to DotA. you could make the arguement that it's a rip-off or copy, but not a sequel or spin-off) However, once again, you ***** with little merit. "Refined it a little"? Bullshit. I was never big into DotA and even I saw the drastic changes that came in AllStars after IceFrog took over.Grilled Cheesus said:
And, yes, seeing as the owners basically handed the franchise to him, IceFrog has the "authority" to sell and trademark the franchise. Otherwise, the trademark Valve applied for never would have been granted. Besides, I haven't heard anything about the LoL or HoN teams going all up-in-arms about this announcement. Seems to me if it was still their franchise, they'd have something to say. Hmmm....
By the way...the view is fan-friggin-tastic. ; )
Actually, S2 has agreed to stop porting dota heroes into hon after Valve got the dota trademark and sent infringement notifications to S2. Lol doesn't even factor into the equation because it's so far from dota in both gameplay and heroes/itemsVigormortis said:
I'm suprised Valve actually went for DotA. It's really out of their confort zone, and there's a huge number of things to balance *looks at TF2 weapons*. Then again, they know how to balance pretty well I guess.
VALVE, IF YOU ARE LISTENING, HEAR THIS COMPLAINT.
I was into DotA, but I dropped out because there was far too much to learn in terms of items builds. League of Legends fixed this, but I left LoL anyways because 1) the "team making formula" while it was a good idea that was definitely better than nothing, I always felt that I went through periods of like, 10 games with teams that couldn't fail even if they were only allowed 5 items each, followed by 10 games of the worst team match ups ever.
And 2), almost all of the community started thinking they knew the game better than everyone else, which lead to people doing their own thing, which lead to arguements, which lead to MOAR ARGUEMENTS! I seriously cannot understand how all DotA games can attract such argumentaive attitudes, it's remarkable. Short of having admins sitting and watching each individual game, Valve have got one hell of a challenge in convincing me that this is going to be any different.
VALVE, IF YOU ARE LISTENING, HEAR THIS COMPLAINT.
I was into DotA, but I dropped out because there was far too much to learn in terms of items builds. League of Legends fixed this, but I left LoL anyways because 1) the "team making formula" while it was a good idea that was definitely better than nothing, I always felt that I went through periods of like, 10 games with teams that couldn't fail even if they were only allowed 5 items each, followed by 10 games of the worst team match ups ever.
And 2), almost all of the community started thinking they knew the game better than everyone else, which lead to people doing their own thing, which lead to arguements, which lead to MOAR ARGUEMENTS! I seriously cannot understand how all DotA games can attract such argumentaive attitudes, it's remarkable. Short of having admins sitting and watching each individual game, Valve have got one hell of a challenge in convincing me that this is going to be any different.
I agree with Caliostro, even though his emphasis was overdone. TF2 is dying for me. The original balance has been lost, and even now you need cosmetic items to complete a set and get the bonus.elvor0 said:
I preferred the base vanilla game, or a few updates in when the balance was still good and the new weapons had tradeoffs with the originals and weren't just upgraded versions.
As for DotA2, I've never liked DotA and I'm dying here waiting for even the slightest bit of news about Ep3.
It doesn't break, but it diminishes it considerably. It definitely harms the visual side. It's unnecessary trash/visual noise. Picture the Mona Lisa, or the Sistine Chapel, or pretty much every other work of priceless art in history. Now picture how much they could be "improved" by drawing cocks, or mustaches, or stick figures on them.elvor0 said:
The "original" TF2 had very clearly defined characters, with different playstyles, filling different and defined roles. Now it's just... all muddled. Visually and gameplay wise. TF2 currently reminds me of that anecdote about the painter that set out to draw the most flawless and utterly perfect painting in history. He did a first painting. Everyone agreed that it was really good. But he wasn't happy, so he started retouching, painting over small details. Everyone agreed that it was really, absurdly, good. But not absolutely perfect. So he kept painting over. And over. And Over. Correcting small details, then big details, sometimes almost the entire picture. The original picture everyone loved eventually was all but lost to layers upon layers of corrections and adjustments. Eventually there were so many layers of paint on it that it just started to crack, break, or simply fall off due to the weight... The whole thing fell apart.
And that's the way TF2 is going. All "Vanilla" TF2 (the one straight out of the box in 2007) ever needed was bug fixes, a pyro update (or, specifically, the Flaregun, Axtinguisher and Airblast) and more maps/game modes, the original demo and soldier ammo-nerf, and that's it. Nothing else. Those "touch ups" were perfect. But that wasn't enough... One update for each class with an alternative set of weapons! Ok... Kind of unnecessary, and more than half the weapons from those updates are complete junk, but whatever... It's easy to pin point the downfall of TF2 though: Random drops. From this point on it was clear TF2 forgot what it was about. Then came hats, and "community" made items, and crafting, and now the mother of all failures, "unusual" hats with "silly special effects!! KAWAII ^________^!!!!".... augh. Paint is peeling off in buclets... I want the normal TF2 back please.
They didn't just announce it, I've been following this since Icefrog was hired. It's been obvious, and it's been a few months that they announced a DotA project. The fact it is DotA with a shiny new coat means nothing. Integrated voice chat, replays, those are extra features. I want to know what is different about the game mechanics. They are porting heroes, they are "the same map, items, skills, and upgrade paths." I do not like the map, items, skills, and upgrade paths. League of Legends and even Heroes of Newerth did a bit beyond porting every character and item. I want a unique map and characters, they have already promised nothing for me.Vigormortis said:
Elitist fanboys gonna call everyone out and pretend they aren't fanboys.
LoL is a mess. The matchmaker is bad, the balance is borked, they care more about pushing content than stabilizing the game, the game eats system resources for lunch, and their client is awful (adobe air ftl). And you don't even get all the heroes. To buy them all would cost well over $100. And then you still need runes to be competitive. In HoN you pay $30 for everything. It has better balance, better UI, voice chat, great replays that work with any version (unlike WC3, where you can't watch replays of older versions), and the heroes actually take skill, so while it's harder to learn, once you do it's way more fun. LoL is fun, yes, but it has too much baggage weighing it down, and HoN is way more polished.Diablini said:
In my experience the ones who bash HoN hardest are the ones who either never played it or suck at it.
Maybe you should stop living under a fucking rock and play a real game then.imnotparanoid said:
