Iron Sights on some of the guns lololololololol.Irridium said:Well, looks like we have one, final hope.
What the Hell, Gearbox?
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I just don't get the rage for health regen. Even my friends say it's a crime, but I think it's an untapped mechanic that dudes in Treasure should pick up and make an acid trip out of it. I dunno, like having player health have insane regen and the enemies having equally insane firepower to the point where the game is like a tug-of-war.
If they were any good of a company, they could just modify the shit and make it fun. They had 2 mother friggin years. Or even if everything was shit from start then they could just do it from scratch. They had no time limit and nobody was waiting for the game to be releasedAlon Shechter said:
I'll be the first to say that I dislike the Halo franchise, but even a fool has to admit that it single-handedly revolutionized the FPS genre. But, therein lies the problem. Every other shooter wants to play just like Halo nowadays (regenerating health, 2 weapons, etc.) The Halo franchise can't reasonably be blamed for this. Other developers decide to copy its mechanics, it's not like Halo forced every FPS to have the same build, but it's much easier to have one clear scapegoat rather than blaming the industry at large. Still, that's my reasoning for rarely playing FPS games anymore; the genre is stagnant now. There needs to be some other kind of innovation to mix things up a little. I'm not sure what it could be, but it's time for a breath of fresh air.dogstile said:
That being said, this was a really poor move on Gearbox's part. The classic Duke games were all about wacky fun and machismo. Without an arsenal of crazy weapons and first aid kits lying around everywhere...I dunno, it just doesn't seem like Duke. Granted, I haven't played the demo, my opinion is just based on footage I've seen. The game will still probably be pretty fun in its own right, but I just don't think it'll feel like Duke.
While I can respect "Older school than some old-school FPSes" to a point, something about Serious Sam rubs me the wrong way. Sure I can blow a bunch of shit up like it's 1995, but it's also really repetitive.Irridium said:If I can still carry 8 guns at once, run at the speed of a cheetah, and don't have regenerating health, I'll take the ironsights hit.Triforceformer said:Iron Sights on some of the guns lololololololol.Irridium said:Well, looks like we have one, final hope.
Actually, the demo is, compared to the release, pretty old. I think this is the EXACT same demo they showed when they announced the game! I'm guessing they've fixed some of the weird graphical errors, and maybe they've made the character a bit more damage resistant, but I don't think they'll do a lot about some of the other problems.Alien Mole said:
What we wanted was "A throwback to fun, ridiculous, over the top old shooters with an intentionally goofy, wise-cracking, one liner spewing action hero". Now what we have is "What would happen if you played Halo as Duke Nukem with your sheilds all the way down through the entire game"
The important thing is that you're all throwing a hissy-fit because an entertainment product mightn't turn out the way you wanted it to. Pretty cool, eh?
It's a 'Halo clone' in the same way that Dante's Inferno was a 'God of War clone'. People use that term to describe a game that's nearly identical in its presentation to another, popular game. In DNF's case, they mean that it's in the same genre (FPS) and has the same core mechanics (regenerating health, 2 weapon limit, etc.). It's something that's existed as long as video games have.MianusIzBleeding said:
It's not meant to be taken as a direct clone, more like...if you were to reskin the enemies to make them look like Covenant and changed nothing else about the game, it would look and feel exactly like Halo (small differences aside). The term actually goes a long way back. FPS games used to be called 'Doom clones' in the early 90's. It's just a simpler way to say that one particular game plays remarkable like another.
Jesus fucking christ, you are implying that there has never been a game where the character can't survive more than one shot with med-packs.Vibhor said:
You do not say why there is no need for this mechanic, you do not say why this mechanic should be removed, despite it clearly just being a matter of preference and amounting to little else than "i do not like oranges, all oranges should hereby be more like apples".
You only mention recent games that unlike my previous point, still have the main character being able to withstand more than normal punishment (i played both Saints Row 2 and GTA4, and it was only on harder difficulties that he could barely survive a shotgun to the face). In a game such as CoD, its only on the lowest difficulty that you can survive a shot to the face and even then it can't be something like a sniper-rifle or shotgun.
So there is a need for these mechanics, and if you don't like them, then go play another game. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that entire fucking universe has to revolve around your preferences.
Sam., I've had enough of FPSs, I used to love them but have played so many recently that I'm sick of them. I hoped Duke would be different and you know fun, I'll wait until it's released but it doesn't look enjoyable at all to me.CCountZero said:
I agree with you. But one of my favourite games is Borderlands, and that (IMO) was far from generic.. I think it was a gearbox product, anyway...
I hated the demo for DNF for all the reasons you said and I agree with you, I think gearbox have it in them but they just havent shown it in DNF.
I hated the demo for DNF for all the reasons you said and I agree with you, I think gearbox have it in them but they just havent shown it in DNF.
Hybrid health systems are the best; health packs make a game too much about searching and regenerating health makes it far too easy.
I don't understand the two weapon deal. In reality, a person could easily carry two main weapons and a sidearm (or two).
I don't understand the two weapon deal. In reality, a person could easily carry two main weapons and a sidearm (or two).
To all of you saying "the game has just changed with the times", you know what? Fine, let's pretend that the game for some reason did need to confirm to modern standards. The problem then is not that there is no health bar or full weapons. Rather, the problem is that it is painfully mediocre. There is nothing unique about this game when you judge it from the demo. Standard gunplay across the board. Not bad, but not that great either. And maybe that's the biggest problem with this game. Even if Gearbox wasn't developing this game for 12 years that didn't stop people from building up expectations, and after that long getting a painfully mediocre shooter is just sad.
So wait, your suggesting that only Valve can do what every developer was doing in the 90's? It can't be that difficult, in fact it should be easier and the arsenel could make battle's more intense.TheIronRuler said:
OT: I can deal with regenerating health, that just means we can have more diffcult and challanging battles, but removing the staples of Duke Nukem? HERESY! I mean what absolute bullshit, you make it seem, and advertise no less, that your game is a unique game, taking things away from realism and paying homage to the classics and then you pull this shit. Fuck you Gearbox, fuck you, we don't want another generic shooter clone we want Duke fucking Nukem. What a load of crap they pulled. After 12 god damn years we have the misfortune of seeing Gearbox screw over what the originals stood for. Honestly it's like the game is cursed. Maybe it should have stayed in development for all eternity.
Or I could be wrong, maybe it's a joke or something, I hope so, this is just too much of a dickmove on Gearbox's part.
If the people saying it's 3D Realms' fault are right, replace Gearbox with 3D Realms.
I played Duke Nukem 3D when I was younger I doubt that using regenerating health and 2 weapon system is that bad, I think people just want a reason to rage or hate on a game just because it changes their nostalgia. The carrying every weapon possible and health pack mechanic don't really add that much because mostly people just use the one that blows up the most bad guys and ignore most of the others anyway and its annoying to have to back track miles because there are no health packs in the immediate area.
Big assumption, and probably wrong assumption... its not 3drealms style. Gearbox took on the project primarily to port it to the consoles, before gearbox got their hands on it it was PC exclusive, so logically the concessions to the console platform must of been introduced by gearbox.dogstile said:
But when you factor in the 90% of the reason for the game's existence at all is nostalgia then perhaps you can begin to see the problem?ReaperzXIII said:
Okay, yeah, Gearbox never said (to my knowledge) that Duke Nukem Forever was going to be like the other Duke Nukems, but was it really that unreasonable to expect that? It would be like if, I don't know, a new Mario game was announced where Mario would run around parkour-style and be able to reverse time. There's nothing inherently wrong with a game like that, it's basically the same genre, and some people might like that game more than a standard Mario game, but Mario games have been known for a certain kind of gameplay as long as Mario games have been around, so radically changing the gameplay would be like releasing a totally different game with a coat of Mario paint thrown on, and the same principles apply here.ArBeater said: