Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid 4
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How can anyone complain about excellent dialoge in a movie, or for that matter excellent story telling. Kojima really hit the mark with this title. He created an excellent game with an unbelievable story. Each and every character in this game were compelling, dynamic, and a essential part to the metal gear storyline. Not one minute of this games cut-scenes were boreing (which they are skippable by the way). I played all the games in the series when it was brought to the playstation, except for the third (I dont know just never got around to it) but it was ok because the game filled me in on anything and everything i wanted to know. By the way the controls are top-notch, and for Yatzee to say otherwise leads me to wonder if he bothered to look at the briefing or even tried the vr training where you can easily pratice all of the moves in the game. I know Yatzee wants to be funny and bash games because hes a critic afterall, but come on allready. This game is flawless, play it for yourself and see what you think.
i cried when i realized the ninja gaiden thing was just an ad.
kept waiting for it to become a spoof.
kept waiting for it to become a spoof.
Why does it matter what kind of game it was? Honestly people need to move out of this mind set. Why on earth would you not expect a Hideo game to be like this, especially the last one in a series he has worked on so much?MGS4_FTW said:Great review. Was predictable, but still funny. Obviously you're not a fan, but i still like seeing a POV from the other side of the fence.
I've got each Metal Gear Solid title, including the twin snakes remake and the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. I've always been a fan, and always will be. One of the things i love the most about the 'solid' series are the cut scenes. They give the story depth. i love that.
Keep up the good work!!
BTW, is it me or is the forum mod/admin a little trigger happy with the ol' ban stick? I've seen people getting banned for saying things like "f*cking awesome, blah blah blah" and getting a perma ban, but then another poster writing "you're all w@nkers" and getting a 2 week one... wtf? hardly fair? One guy got banned for saying Yartzee must have played on easy as harder settings have less ammo. Wtf is up with that?
$10 says I get a ban…
Again what does it matter, Unless his gaming habbits and ideas about games have TOTALLY pulled a 180 their is no logic in that statement, even then his flip flopping shows that he just goes back and forth rather than staying on one side of the road or the other.VMerken said:
It's... been made pretty clear that the game Yahtzee made was of an utterly different genre that Metal Gear Solid and in no way proclaimed itself to be a tactical action title, a game of a sort where large amounts of storytelling are a key part of the type of game it is. Seriously, you seem to ignore that every time it comes up.
Mmm. So you're just all show, I can dig it. Though I would hardly call it "charming".mspencer82 said:
The Logic:TerraMGP said:
* Yahtzee produces some games
* After that, he produces a *subjective*, animated opinion series on video games
* Yahtzee streamlines this series to generate more traffic and thus more $$$
I see no glaring problems with this chronological process, since it's Yahtzee's subjective opinion that he brings forward, and not some rigorous, objective science (which starts from subjective axioms anyway). Opinions can change, they are not cast in stone, nor has Yahtzee ever claimed that his is. Thus there *is* no hypocrisy, flipflopping or what have you. His games may not correlate to his current work, but that is irrelevant since they happened before the animated series and reflect his opinion of that period rather than the current one.
He does not streamline it, he starts giving the people more of what they want at the expense of his initial integrity, he gives the clambering wannabe indie masses their meat so they will follow him. And no it does not matter that he made an adventure game, Thats like saying its OK that Halo had a sucky plot because its a shooter. He still came up with an equally contrived and convoluted plot with the space he had and therefor regardless of genre he has no room to talk in that instance. People have to stop thinking in terms of Genre
Why don't we just all agree that Yahtzee makes reviews to entertain us by giving us what most of us want. That is: scathing, negative reviews. Like I said before the videos for Portal and Psychonauts weren't liked very much. While I don't like that he gives less consolation and less consolation as he goes on, I still wait patiently for the day he gets to do a game right again. If he doesn't, oh well, I guess I don't watch ZP anymore.
Though it's kinda sad that I can't trust any reviewer anymore, because all reviews seem to be entertainment these days...
Though it's kinda sad that I can't trust any reviewer anymore, because all reviews seem to be entertainment these days...
TerraMGP, I think you're just embarrassing yourself now buddy. I mean you seem to think you're making valid comments. Most of the one's I have read have either been utterly pointless and just fuel for this flamewar, or easily defendable with a bit of better logic.
And no, I'm not going to copy/paste or quote more of your comments and then highlight problems. (as I did in one reply a page or two ago). It would be a waste of both my time and yours.
I will just say though, that everything you've said so far can be torn apart. If this was a card game you'd be at a severe loss of cards right now. The annoying thing is however, is that you probably don't believe me. And you'll continue to argue, and your points will be made redundant, and then you'll skip onto something similar and argue that.
Just stop. Hell, we all need to just sssshhhhh. It's almost depressing how the comments on Yahtzee's reviews degrade this community of very bright individuals.
And no, I'm not going to copy/paste or quote more of your comments and then highlight problems. (as I did in one reply a page or two ago). It would be a waste of both my time and yours.
I will just say though, that everything you've said so far can be torn apart. If this was a card game you'd be at a severe loss of cards right now. The annoying thing is however, is that you probably don't believe me. And you'll continue to argue, and your points will be made redundant, and then you'll skip onto something similar and argue that.
Just stop. Hell, we all need to just sssshhhhh. It's almost depressing how the comments on Yahtzee's reviews degrade this community of very bright individuals.
Oh sir, but everyone is by nature an actor. Take a good look at how you act in different situations in life and tell me you're not an actor. Also I edited my previous comment.mspencer82 said:
Ok, show me some of your videogame reviews or I'm going to waive your right to criticize Yahtzee's videogame reviews. And if they're not good, I'm going to waive your right anyways. Hell, maybe even if I don't agree with them. By your logic all of that is perfectly reasonable. In fact, lemme see some of your videogames you've made or I'm gonna disregard all of your views on Metal Gear Solid 4. Seems fair, based on what you're saying.TerraMGP said:
The Escapist didn't hired him for his kindness toward games. Yahtzee - either he likes it or not - has become a public figure with a stablished "role". He's somewhat obliged to be harsh. Terran's point isn't that hard to understand, my friend.mspencer82 said:
Thread! Thread!?
THHREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAD!?!?
I've always liked the MGS series (not enough to buy a PS3, but there you go), and yet I found the review pretty god-damn fair, judging by admittedly-possibly-faulted other reviews. It more or less reflects the Edge magazine review, except with epic funnies and a good number of obscenities. I recommend anyone try and check it out, whether it in the future be uploaded on their website or whatever.
There is one good thing you can say about the series, though, which I'm (not very) surprised he didn't say: It's a game you can quite easily be as interested in by watching someone play it as playing it yourself.
Also, forgive me if I'm gravely misinformed, but hasn't the whole franchise-sequel churner more or less been against Kojima's wishes? As I understood it, didn't he want to drop it after MGS2? After all, feel free to tell me: Is there any boss in numero 4 in which some form of handstand while wirelessly linking the controller through the computer during the process of the autumn harvest required to possibly beat them? I didn't think so.
P.S: Don't blame Yahtzee for the increasingly rephresensible tactics of the Escapist. After all, they may be forced to show a clip show rerun sponsored by the good folks at Coca-Cola. Mmm-mmm, that's refreshing!
THHREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAD!?!?
I've always liked the MGS series (not enough to buy a PS3, but there you go), and yet I found the review pretty god-damn fair, judging by admittedly-possibly-faulted other reviews. It more or less reflects the Edge magazine review, except with epic funnies and a good number of obscenities. I recommend anyone try and check it out, whether it in the future be uploaded on their website or whatever.
There is one good thing you can say about the series, though, which I'm (not very) surprised he didn't say: It's a game you can quite easily be as interested in by watching someone play it as playing it yourself.
Also, forgive me if I'm gravely misinformed, but hasn't the whole franchise-sequel churner more or less been against Kojima's wishes? As I understood it, didn't he want to drop it after MGS2? After all, feel free to tell me: Is there any boss in numero 4 in which some form of handstand while wirelessly linking the controller through the computer during the process of the autumn harvest required to possibly beat them? I didn't think so.
P.S: Don't blame Yahtzee for the increasingly rephresensible tactics of the Escapist. After all, they may be forced to show a clip show rerun sponsored by the good folks at Coca-Cola. Mmm-mmm, that's refreshing!
I don't review games because for the most part, it makes you like this. I was thrilled he had some integrity but now its gone. If that's what you need well, go back to being a mewling little fanboy for him. I'm out. You people won't keep Yatzee honest then you just enjoy your little hits of game-bashing and feeling Indie and walking along blindly. At this point its the same thing as G4Magugag said:
Haha, I just had to quote this... you sir (VeryOblivious, indeed), are quite possibly the stupidest person in this thread.VeryOblivious said:
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TerraMGP (again)... your logic was being used against you. And you failed to argue it, (quite possibly, because your logic is flawed) instead you come back with what appears to be a personal attack. Good one! Yeah that's a real fine way to win an argument. Valid points? Facts? Naaawww, Opinions and snidey little comments all the way!
Just a little recap... someone stepped into your shoes, used your logic to define an argument, you then reply with "I don't review games"... and you think that wins it for you? NO, you've just lost another metaphorical card!
Yes, yes, more direct insults. Mewling fanboy indeed, because I don't believe Metal Gear Solid 4 is perfect and because I don't agree with the flawed logic you've presented? If you're going to base your opinion on the review based on Yahtzee's videogames, then I'm going to base my opinion of your opinion on your reviews, which are nil. Guess what, by your own weird logic, that makes your opinion? I most likely cannot write a good screenplay for a movie, say. It might turn out as bad and twisted as something by Ewe Boll (well no, not that bad). But that doesn't mean that I have lost my right to have an opinion on movies. You probably couldn't write a successful fantasy epic (who knows, maybe you could? I don't know you in person) yet I would still say that you have a right to an opinion about such a book without calling you a hypocrite.
As for Yahtzee pandering to audiences, I simply don't agree with that. If he was pandering to me, he'd have given all of the Final Fantasies glorious praise by now. It all goes down to how well you take criticism of something you enjoy, like it or not. His opinions are his opinions, and you can totally like a game and still hate its flaws. I prefer his pessimistic reviews coupled with the optimism of general media because if gives me a reference point for realism. However, I loved his praise of Psychonauts too, easily one of the most underappreciated gems ever. So believe what you want, but I have no fanatically devotion to Yahtzee or any hatred of the PS3. Seriously, the shrine I have to him is really small, more of a cubby than anything.
As for Yahtzee pandering to audiences, I simply don't agree with that. If he was pandering to me, he'd have given all of the Final Fantasies glorious praise by now.
It all goes down to how well you take criticism of something you enjoy, like it or not. His opinions are his opinions, and you can totally like a game and still hate its flaws. I prefer his pessimistic reviews coupled with the optimism of general media because if gives me a reference point for realism. However, I loved his praise of Psychonauts too, easily one of the most underappreciated gems ever. So believe what you want, but I have no fanatically devotion to Yahtzee or any hatred of the PS3. Seriously, the shrine I have to him is really small, more of a cubby than anything.