Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid 4

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tratorix

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TerraMGP said:
No, though I am broke enough that I wish I was. I just hate to see Yatzee sell out and this was the straw that broke the camels back. If he has genuine issues with MGS4 then fine I can accept that, My main point is simply that I hate to see him cave to peer pressure as he seems to be and shifting to whatever mindset lets him bash the hardest.

As for making a game and reviewing, one lends itself to the other. He never said his game was perfect, but by putting it out there he said it was good enough to play, it was a reflection of the kind of work he does and now bashing someone for doing the same just because it makes him so popular. The game is still a reflection of who he is, and he is saying that someone else doing the same thing was bad. He made relatively HUGE cutscenes for someone using AGS and probably would have made longer. My problem is that he is guilty of doing what he is saying is bad for a big time producer to do almost to a T.

Also I never said I was bored with him, I'm only bored now that hes selling out and the charm is gone
How is he caving to peer pressure? Is it honestly that hard for you to believe he didn't like the game that much?
 

TerraMGP

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No, its hard for me to beleive that he shifts his basic mindset about gaming that much. Its hard for me to buy that he would be unable to even grudgingly admit to doing something similar or even point to many of the other good, or hell even the bad points. I'm not saying he should have liked the game, I am talking about a bigger issue with him flipflopping on what he likes about games and what he has to say. He is giving reviews now that are totally bad and are bad for their own sake.
 
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The advertisement following this review contains the single funniest slogan a game has ever had. And then some handicam douchebag starts talking about Jack Thompson and I turn off. For the love of God won't gamers shut up about Jack Thompson? It's pathetic.

Oh yeah and this is a fine review because Mister Croshaw is a fine reviewer.
 

TerraMGP

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And thats the logic that has helped to kill his credibility. Its no longer he is a fine reviewer because he does not give a damn about what others think and just sticks to his guns, apparently respectability kills off a persons integrity on the quickfast.
 

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VMerken said:
Magugag said:
Terra, I happen to be a DM. I went out and bought all those damn 4th edition books the day they came out (goddamn pricey I'll add) and I plan to DM for a very long time to come. Know what the key to a successful campaign is? Keep the story moving along at a good pace so that things don't stagnate. Also, I'm an avid roleplayer, but that's about as geeky as I'll go into that bit. :p I create character motivations and double crosses and little love interests and even the occasional silly twist. I can forgive that, that's fine, but I stand by my earlier assessment about the presentation.
Hehe, why not try the Kojima Way of DMing next time? It might be as awesome as some wager here.

DM: "Right, let me start with a 23 minute long introduction. [...] So, Player1, you are standing behind some trucks in a desolate, wartorn, landscape in the Orient. What will you do?"

Player1: "... huh. What?! Okay. Uhm, I'll move slightly to the left."

DM: "Good. That triggers a 5 minute event which I'll tell now. [...] So, Player1, what do you do next?"

DM: "Player1? Player2? Guys?! Where are you?"

:)
That is freaking AWESOME. :p

And off-topic, I find 4th edition perfectly fine. The rules are less overbearing and a little more simple, skill challenges allow for more roleplaying involved and less dice rolling, and all classes having powers makes it so you don't do the same damn thing every round. As far as roleplaying goes, none of the freedom is taken away and the rules have been streamlined. The only problem I have is a slight lack of content, but give it a year or so and maybe it will have half as many books as 3E. :p The content will come.
 

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You know people complained about the long cutscenes in Xenosaga and that was most definetly an RPG so I really do not believe that the type of game is the issue for some. I suspect people would still complain about the length of these scenes if MGS was an RPG.
 

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TerraMGP said:
No, its hard for me to beleive that he shifts his basic mindset about gaming that much. Its hard for me to buy that he would be unable to even grudgingly admit to doing something similar or even point to many of the other good, or hell even the bad points. I'm not saying he should have liked the game, I am talking about a bigger issue with him flipflopping on what he likes about games and what he has to say. He is giving reviews now that are totally bad and are bad for their own sake.
A person's opinion on video games, believe it or not, is not carved in stone and the same for the rest of his or her natural life. Maybe one day, a JRPG will plod along that Yahtzee will truly love. Maybe one day, Yahtzee might play beyond the first act of The Witcher and see the game for what it really is :).

People flip-flop all the time about things, depending on their experience. Thus Yahtzee as well. It's only natural.
 

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While the review raised some good points, such as cutscene:gameplay ratio, I friggin loved this game.
Call me a fanboy if you want but I like to view the MGS saga as more of a series of interactive movies than games, perhaps due to the cinematic nature of the past 4 games.
 

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TerraMGP said:
And thats the logic that has helped to kill his credibility. Its no longer he is a fine reviewer because he does not give a damn about what others think and just sticks to his guns, apparently respectability kills off a persons integrity on the quickfast.
What in this review is inconsistent with the other reviews he has given? I don't understand what you are really complaining about other than that he insulted your favourite game.
 

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VMerken said:
TerraMGP said:
No, its hard for me to beleive that he shifts his basic mindset about gaming that much. Its hard for me to buy that he would be unable to even grudgingly admit to doing something similar or even point to many of the other good, or hell even the bad points. I'm not saying he should have liked the game, I am talking about a bigger issue with him flipflopping on what he likes about games and what he has to say. He is giving reviews now that are totally bad and are bad for their own sake.
A person's opinion on video games, believe it or not, is not carved in stone and the same for the rest of his or her natural life. Maybe one day, a JRPG will plod along that Yahtzee will truly love. Maybe one day, Yahtzee might play beyond the first act of The Witcher and see the game for what it really is :).

People flip-flop all the time about things, depending on their experience. Thus Yahtzee as well. It's only natural.
That drastically? and always to the side where he is in opposition? Seems way too coincidental.

Also on 4E, no, it just took out all the rules that make it so you can actually role play and killed it.
 

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I prepared for a stream off fanboyish moans when I clicked comments, so im suprised.

This was an excellant review in my eyes, I bought MGS 4, on the pretext it was the one game I could use to justify buying a ps3, and I was mistaken, th game is pretty poor. The graphics are excellant, but Gameplay is drastcallywrong.

The decision to dumb the games controls down and try andmakeit for everyone has ruined the series im my eyes.

That and close quarters combat is appalling.
 

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Yahtzee is as mercurial as a whimsical pixie! It's his wily nature.

And as for 4E, who the hell needs rules to roleplay? Diplomacy and Bluff are still in, and those are the only rules that I see as pertinent to the experience of interaction and roleplay. Have you given it a chance?
 

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mspencer82 said:
TerraMGP said:
And thats the logic that has helped to kill his credibility. Its no longer he is a fine reviewer because he does not give a damn about what others think and just sticks to his guns, apparently respectability kills off a persons integrity on the quickfast.


He's not caving to the peer pressure of countless 10/10 reviews from other sites and rapid Metal Gear fans, and that makes him a sellout?

I'm confused.



It must depend on which peer pressure you cave to. Again, we're back to the simple fact that you don't like Yahtzee anymore because he beat up on your favorite game.


exactly, a fanboy can't take it, yet I bet he was the first to brag about Halo being shot down to any 360 fanboys. There games people...not real...
 

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final fantasy? dungeons and dragons? shut up!

and stop giving Yahtzee breaks.

this is his first review that is at least 90% fail.
and it follows up with a ninja gaiden preview.
he is at this moment, no doubt, walking around with a bag full of white-and-green condoms for all the 360 fanboys who want to ravenously suck his dick.
 

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TerraMGP said:
Also on 4E, no, it just took out all the rules that make it so you can actually role play and killed it.
Heres a quick tip on Dungeons and Dragons. The rules are more or less guidelines.
 

TerraMGP

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mspencer82 said:
TerraMGP said:
And thats the logic that has helped to kill his credibility. Its no longer he is a fine reviewer because he does not give a damn about what others think and just sticks to his guns, apparently respectability kills off a persons integrity on the quickfast.


He's not caving to the peer pressure of countless 10/10 reviews from other sites and rapid Metal Gear fans, and that makes him a sellout?

I'm confused.

It must depend on which peer pressure you cave to. Again, we're back to the simple fact that you don't like Yahtzee anymore because he beat up on your favorite game.


Hes selling out the other direction, to the Indie crowd, to the gamers who reject the mainstream. Hes trying to cater to them by tearing the snot out of games that are popualr for The sake of doing it. And again get off this stupid yatzee fanboy crap about me not liking him because he ripped on a game I like. He ripped on ALOT of games I like, its the flipflopping I have issues with

Magugag said:
Yahtzee is as mercurial as a whimsical pixie! It's his wily nature.

And as for 4E, who the hell needs rules to roleplay? Diplomacy and Bluff are still in, and those are the only rules that I see as pertinent to the experience of interaction and roleplay. Have you given it a chance?
Yeah... if thats all you ever used then I'm sure pen and paper MMO will be fine for you. Some of us on the other hand don't want that poorly written crap at our table.
 

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Well, that was a great review, and I particularly enjoyed the comment about Fanfiction writers. Also, question. Am I the only person who finds this story easy to follow? I'm not joking, The story makes sense to me, completely and totally.
 

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SirSchmoopy said:
TerraMGP said:
Also on 4E, no, it just took out all the rules that make it so you can actually role play and killed it.
Heres a quick tip on Dungeons and Dragons. The rules are more or less guidelines.
Yes, in the case of 4E poorly written guidelines that turn it into some bland WoW clone. The game is just bad.
 

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Mspencer how do you explain complaints about the controls centered around things that are blatantly inaccurate? How do you explain "lack of emphasis on stealth..and game breaking super gun.." when the gun in question really doesn't take out people in one hit immedeatly unless you get them in the head, and doesn't have infinite ammo. (though you can buy as much as you like when you gain access to Drebin.) How do you explain that? Instead of crying about fanboy this and fanboy that explain those things first.