......If you choose a ranged class you never touch a lightsaber, if you choose a jedi class you never touch a pistol.DVS BSTrD said:
Zero Punctuation: Star Wars: The Old Republic
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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It's not fake, just somewhat misrepresented... the problems involved aren't quite what some people reported they were.RaikuFA said:
What happened was Bioware put all these high level treasure chests into open-world PVP zones on high level planets, presumably to draw people into them on PVE servers so they will kill people over the loot. There are however no NPCs or monsters present.
A few enterprising players decided it would be a fun way to become rich with minimal effort by exploiting knowlege from Beta, heading to these high level planets, and grabbing level 40-50 loot with their level 15 characters. With no monsters, and nobody really doing much PVP in such zones that have no other point on PVE servers, they pretty much just sat there collecting the chests as they re-spawn.
Now, here is where things are both good and bad. Bioware did NOT come swooping down like the hand of god and smacking people with the banhammer for exploiting. Rather arbitrary code inside the game banned these players as gold farmers, since this basic behavior (farming chest... which farmers in some games used very complicated botting for) is well known. Basically the game recognized that they were picking up the same chests for hours and hours on end without doing anything else in the game, and their characters didn't even really belond in the location they were in. As a result they wound up getting auto-banned and locked out of EA.
Now this is a good thing and a bad thing, the guys were exploiting by working the system to get an advantage, and this kind of thing is a problem with gold farmers (or credit farmers in Old Republic Online), the big problem is there was no real human review process here since apparently EA/Bioware doesn't want to pay people GMs to you know... actually act like GMs. There should have been warnings, or at least someone looking at the situation. These guys DID deserve to have their ill-gotten gains deleted, perhaps with the deletion of the characters they were farming with, but permanantly locking them out of ToR, and banning them from all their other EA products by association for this when nobody actually stepped in? That's a bit excessive.
On the positive side this does send a hardcore message to exploiters, but it also does show that the system is running on autopilot, and that's never a good thing.
The point here is that you can go to whatever planet you want to, you don't get banned for going to higher level zones or anything, you won't even get banned for picking up high level treasure chests. But if you do something fairly shady like this... they aren't letting it go like in other games.
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As far as Yahtzee's review goes, he's spot on about a lot of things. I really want to like this game, but he's correct that it's probably going to wind up getting crushed by WoW because in the final equasion it's a mere shadow of what it could have been. The space combat aspects of things are a huge joke, and while the storylines are nice, they do run into problems. The Smuggler bit is a good example of disjointed storytelling that doesn't nessicarly make a lot of sense, in my case I tend to look at the Jedi Counslar I've been playing as another example, but I don't want to post spoilers.
We'll see how things pan out, I don't think ToR is going to be a failure in the long run, but I don't expect it to be continuous blockbuster a lot of people heralded it as. Sadly, looking at area populations on the server I'm playing on, it does seem the crowds are thinning out.
Most critics merely roast games. Yahtzee throws them into volcanoes with walls lined with tits. Such is the case with this one. I mean, damn.
why are people getting upset over the space sections in tor? do you remember the space sections in the original kotor, and how much it sucked? i remember literally cheering any time i went to a new planet without having to tolerate a poorly done space combat sequence
Reviewing an MMO in a week, unless you're playing 140 hours in 7 days, not going to be that accurate =/
I was considering getting this, but now I think I'm going to wait for GW2 after listening to ZP =D
I was considering getting this, but now I think I'm going to wait for GW2 after listening to ZP =D
clean living pace keepers .... yeah, who are better programmed then the fucking droids 
screw the Jedi hippie twats, Sith, yo
screw the Jedi hippie twats, Sith, yo
its an mmo based on kotor. since the space sections in kotor were rail shooters, it stands to reason that the space sections in tor would be rail shooters too. if nothing else, these rail shooting sections have been greatly improved. this isnt a space exploration mmo, if people want that then they should go play eve online. and this IS kotor 3, or as close to it as youre gonna get. i dont even really like mmos that much and im enjoying tor 10x more than i ever enjoyed kotorSledgimus said:
Yahtzee. Please. Do learn to play games before "reviewing" them. Your "review" is full of inaccuracies as usual.
In group conversations if the roll winner choses light side and you chose dark side, the only effect on you is that his option is what happens, but you still get dark side points.
Also, Corso's harpoon has been fixed weeks ago.
At least you admit that you "don't get it". Because you don't.
In group conversations if the roll winner choses light side and you chose dark side, the only effect on you is that his option is what happens, but you still get dark side points.
Also, Corso's harpoon has been fixed weeks ago.
At least you admit that you "don't get it". Because you don't.
There is really no reason to play Tor.
When you are in "for the story" buy a single player RPG which has no monthly cost and a way better story as it does not have all this MMO baggage attached to it. And when you are in for the MMO part then there are way better MMOs out there as Tor is really lacking in that department as their only selling point is the story. Everything else is outdated compared to other modern MMOs and Tor is still very buggy.
When you are in "for the story" buy a single player RPG which has no monthly cost and a way better story as it does not have all this MMO baggage attached to it. And when you are in for the MMO part then there are way better MMOs out there as Tor is really lacking in that department as their only selling point is the story. Everything else is outdated compared to other modern MMOs and Tor is still very buggy.
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Alright man...
There were over 200 people on my server last night at about 7 pm central time. So yeah, not EVERY sever is a graveyard. In fact I'd doubt even most of them are.
FPS issues. I haven't had any on my rig. Maybe you need a new machine? Throw this in as a criticism of the game if you want but ultimately it can be said it was an issue on your end.
"Brainless rude ToRons." In my experience, so far, I've had one bad experience with another community member. Surprise surprise he wasn't there to play the game he was there to steal kills from other players and ask "umad" over and over again.
You haven't seen the figures for how much was spent on the game. All you have is estimates from industry analysts (the same ones you same people say are wrong when they said concerns about the game were overestimated)
And yeah. There are big monsters you fight or grind with other players, but to be honest I haven't run into a single one that is REQUIRED to continue on the game.
All of your criticisms come down to your own opinion or experiences and none of them are facts so quit trying to pass them off as such.[/quote]
-200 (PEAK HOUR)people IS a graveyard. Hell, even low hours this is lousy. This number is laughable and shameful compared to other mmos. WoW, EvE online and even RUNESCAPE servers number their online population in the THOUSANDS.
-Several people have reported FPS issues even on high-end machines. This was thanks to the unfinished, buggy hero-engine they decided to use. They reported these issues on the official forums. Most of them were dismissed, like you're dismissing my claims now, and eventually removed as "spam" or "trolling", by the mods.
-I've seen the mmohunter graph, for one. It's declining at a steady pace.
-And instead of the monsters and grinding.. What? Single-player missions? Those twilight-grade romance quests? HUTTBALL?!
-"None of them are facts".
So people aren't really experiencing fps drops and constant bugs and glitches? They're just imagining or trolling. And the lack of end-content- No wait, you're going to say "You just played the game too fast".
Or hey, maybe you're already thinking of a good comeback to the "other mmos" argument. This is a ToR forum favourite "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO [Insert MMO], IF U LOVE IT SO MUCH"
Oh here's one your people like to use on the server population (Lack thereof) argument
"GOOD, LESS KIDS IN THE SERVER TO ANNOY ME" or "I like to play this as a single-player game anyway".
Honestly, you're either one of the "official" bioware apologists or a very deluded person.
In fact, why am I even telling this to you in either case!? It's not like you care in your happy little boat there.
Alright man...
There were over 200 people on my server last night at about 7 pm central time. So yeah, not EVERY sever is a graveyard. In fact I'd doubt even most of them are.
FPS issues. I haven't had any on my rig. Maybe you need a new machine? Throw this in as a criticism of the game if you want but ultimately it can be said it was an issue on your end.
"Brainless rude ToRons." In my experience, so far, I've had one bad experience with another community member. Surprise surprise he wasn't there to play the game he was there to steal kills from other players and ask "umad" over and over again.
You haven't seen the figures for how much was spent on the game. All you have is estimates from industry analysts (the same ones you same people say are wrong when they said concerns about the game were overestimated)
And yeah. There are big monsters you fight or grind with other players, but to be honest I haven't run into a single one that is REQUIRED to continue on the game.
All of your criticisms come down to your own opinion or experiences and none of them are facts so quit trying to pass them off as such.[/quote]
-200 (PEAK HOUR)people IS a graveyard. Hell, even low hours this is lousy. This number is laughable and shameful compared to other mmos. WoW, EvE online and even RUNESCAPE servers number their online population in the THOUSANDS.
-Several people have reported FPS issues even on high-end machines. This was thanks to the unfinished, buggy hero-engine they decided to use. They reported these issues on the official forums. Most of them were dismissed, like you're dismissing my claims now, and eventually removed as "spam" or "trolling", by the mods.
-I've seen the mmohunter graph, for one. It's declining at a steady pace.
-And instead of the monsters and grinding.. What? Single-player missions? Those twilight-grade romance quests? HUTTBALL?!
-"None of them are facts".
So people aren't really experiencing fps drops and constant bugs and glitches? They're just imagining or trolling. And the lack of end-content- No wait, you're going to say "You just played the game too fast".
Or hey, maybe you're already thinking of a good comeback to the "other mmos" argument. This is a ToR forum favourite "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO [Insert MMO], IF U LOVE IT SO MUCH"
Oh here's one your people like to use on the server population (Lack thereof) argument
"GOOD, LESS KIDS IN THE SERVER TO ANNOY ME" or "I like to play this as a single-player game anyway".
Honestly, you're either one of the "official" bioware apologists or a very deluded person.
In fact, why am I even telling this to you in either case!? It's not like you care in your happy little boat there.
He likely means 200 at the flotilla. So its only a fraction of all players online.Hopperdopper said:
But yes, TORs server are very, very small. And you have heavy instancing in the game to so that you usually don't have more than 50 people in a single instance (flotilla being the exception).
I guess a server can hold about 1000 people at the same time, maybe a bit more. No idea why BW made it that way.
Lag? Or because they still see it primarily as a single player game. That would explain why the actual MMO elements suck and are outdated.
And with all the players leaving it will be interesting when BW will do the first server merge. Can't be good for their image to merge them only months after the release.
Ew... 1000 player servers would make me a very sad person. Figure maybe 30-50% would be max level, then halve it again for factions, and you only get 75-125 max level players at a time. WoW would easily have that many in Dalaran/Orgrimmar/Stormwind easily.Ixal said: