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Nixonator

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Hey there everyone! I am a new poster and I would just like to say fuck you! Fuck all of you who constantly devote your time to dragging out an argument what will come to no end EVER. Fuck you everyone who believes that in the grand scheme of web comic generation thinks that their opinion is actually worth a damn! Fuck you you who believes that Penny Arcade is in fact a steaming pile of bullshit just because you can write ten or twelve paragraphs saying that it is! Fuck you those who believe that bashing CAD is a great way to relieve their stress and assimilate themselves into the higher forum order even though it merely results in generating more web hits for Tim Buckley!

I've made my point and I expect banning but I don't honestly care. Spew all you want.
 

Epic Wizard

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Personally I rather like CAD and appreciate it's dealing with a serious topic which is, like it or not, good story telling.

I would REALLY like to know how many of you have EVER read a real comic. Not a daily comic like Garfield or a web comic but a genuine five-dollar-printed-comic-book comic. While I can't say I have read many of them I do follow their plots and, let me tell you, a miscarriage isn't half as serious as some of the things that print comic books have delved into in recent years or even before the modern time. Seriously look it up and the please shut up about it polluting your laugh-a-day medium or about how crappy web comics are because they aren't (insert whatever you personally happen to think is better but other people may or may not think is crap here). I personally praise Tim for dealing with a serious subject (actually more than one) in a serious and realistic manner. We are well past the days where Ethan would be randomly shot by arrows and then show up in the next strip people so either leave QUIETLY or stay and act intelligently. I really don't see any other civil options and if anyone has any suggestions I would be open to them.

As for this whole question of Tim Buckley and him sending pics of his anatomy to kids: Why haven't we heard anything in the way of legal action from this? If it had really happened and there was proof then we WOULD be seeing legal action.
 

C-Sprach

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Epic Wizard said:
I personally praise Tim for dealing with a serious subject (actually more than one) in a serious and realistic manner. We are well past the days where Ethan would be randomly shot by arrows and then show up in the next strip people so either leave QUIETLY or stay and act intelligently.
I'm sorry, but awkwardly breeching a serious subject for a few strips then dropping it entirely does not equate to "dealing with it in a serious manner". I agree that if CAD were to dedicate, let's say, 100 strips to the miscarriage story arc, then MAYBE Buckley would be able to flesh it out in an engaging and realistic way (oh, who am I kidding, it's Tim Buckley...) However, as it stands, all he's done is exactly what Yahtzee said in the video: downplay the situation to the point that it is both absurd and disrespectful towards the subject matter.

Obviously you haven't read a whole lot of "real" comics, because if you did, you would know that those writers actually pour a lot of thought into their characters, developing them over time, acknowledging and confronting their flaws while testing their strengths. They do not insert a handful of carbon cutouts, spewing the same inane, pointless dialog strip after strip. Seriously, have you read CAD's dialog? Every unsympathetic retard speaks exactly the same way ALL THE TIME! I'm not even gonna mention the facial expressions. Although you do bring a good point. Everybody stop reading CAD and go read The Sandman or Hellboy or something that won't numb your brain.

Nixonator said:
Hey there everyone! I am a new poster and I would just like to say fuck you! Fuck all of you who constantly devote your time to dragging out an argument what will come to no end EVER. Fuck you everyone who believes that in the grand scheme of web comic generation thinks that their opinion is actually worth a damn! Fuck you you who believes that Penny Arcade is in fact a steaming pile of bullshit just because you can write ten or twelve paragraphs saying that it is! Fuck you those who believe that bashing CAD is a great way to relieve their stress and assimilate themselves into the higher forum order even though it merely results in generating more web hits for Tim Buckley!

I've made my point and I expect banning but I don't honestly care. Spew all you want.
Is it hypocritical of me to agree with you at this point?
 

GuerrillaClock

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Tim Buckley is possibly the most enormous douche ever and I refused to read his comic a long time ago out of principle after his abuse of Wikipedia. However, the forums were a good source of intelligent discussion - the people on there seemed to be able to handle a decent debate. Having watched the review, I then went on CAD and read the miscarriage story to see what the fuss was about, and plainly it was woefully written, with no emotional build-up, meaning the comic went from "wacky" to serious in four panels. If he wants to mature as a writer, then suddenly throwing in serious subject matter is not how you do it. Serious stories do not equate to mature writing automatically! I went on the forums and joined what I thought was a reasonable discussion about the comic, only to find myself perma-banned for expressing my views. I want to make it clear I never mentioned his sexuality, his mother or any insulting terms.
I'm aware that this may have been covered before on these forums, but the man riles me to no end and I felt an urge to let the world know what a talentless, arrogant prick the man is. To ignore criticism is one thing, to delete it entirely, wipe away the people who made it and THEN claim he doesn't do it is something else entirely.
If I posted on here saying "The Escapist isn't that well written/this article here didn't fit in with the rest" or something would I be perma-banned? I think not.
 

GraegoriHauss

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GUYS! GUYS!

Holy crap, I just saw Tim Buckley at the beach, right? GUESS WHAT HE DID? HE JUMPED OVER A SHARK ON WATER-SKIS!!

Metaphorically, that is.
 
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I love this for many different reasons so i had to make a post

First i think the video is hilarious , made me laugh anyway

I also enjoy the posts that i read , does everyone that post feel that their opinion cares?
TBH I think CAD is a great comic and tim can do what he likes , if u dont like than either make a funny video about it ( wonder if thats been done before) if u dont like it , sure give ur opinion , but whats with some of the posts ive read

"CAD has gone so farup its own arse it can stick its hand out of its mouth"
Funny - Not Really
Clever - No
Needed - No , really not , no point , in fact i think that person has his head so far up his arse that he can`t see what rubbish posts he is makin as the , ah w8 im being hyppocrytical or however u spell it, i dont really care TBH, i even decided i would make my name to be something u guys wud all think " what a nob " because i really think that one day , Yatzee will line you all up and give you the rewards you deserve for brown nosing him

As for me , funny comic , But that doesnt mean i cant enjoy CAD or i must suddenly kiss ass

Please stop , or no in fact carry on , u make my reads more interesting as you no doubt think i have nothing to do

As for Tim`s story , it doesnt make him sadistic or horrible or an arse , all he did was put something into his comic which most nerds dont like because it doesnt make em feel good about themselves because they cant
A) Blow their load
B) Link it to their friends and say "oo guys this is funny"
C) Relate to it

Ah i think im done , maybe ill post something new , maybe another rant

Gratz yatzee , ur a great person , your videos are funny , but i would rather have followers made out used toilet roll than some of these guys , i apologise for just the one example whoever it was , theres loads ,

Now im done , I will w8 for that happy reply
 

Lord_Seth

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
As for Tim`s story , it doesnt make him sadistic or horrible or an arse , all he did was put something into his comic which most nerds dont like because it doesnt make em feel good about themselves because they cant
A) Blow their load
B) Link it to their friends and say "oo guys this is funny"
C) Relate to it
People don't dislike the miscarriage bit because it "doesn't make them feel good about themselves" or any of those other things; people dislike it because IT DOESN'T FIT THE STRIP AT ALL. CAD was a lighthearted gaming strip beforehand. While many people hated it, there was something about it that quite a few people liked. It's not smart to throw out what made people like the strip and awkwardly insert an extremely serious topic. But even worse, it didn't go anywhere with it. It's also disrespectful of the subject matter. Now I actually kinda liked CAD, but this miscarriage was a truly terrible idea. It doesn't work at any level in the strip. I really don't feel like restating all the reasons it was terrible as I've done it multiple times already in this thread, but the entire thing was bungled so badly it's about as bad as that whole "orc rape" arc of Dominic Deegan.

Anyway, the reason I came here was because I was wondering if anyone saw today's FoxTrot comic [http://www.gocomics.com/foxtrot], as it kind of relates to this topic (take note: Bill Amend is a guy who actually knows how to make good nerd and geek jokes). Anyone happen to know what "The Ecstasy of Tech" is supposed to be a reference to though? I recognize the others (Penny Arcade, PvP, and xkcd)
 

Tempdude0

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
I love this for many different reasons so i had to make a post

First i think the video is hilarious , made me laugh anyway

I also enjoy the posts that i read , does everyone that post feel that their opinion cares?
TBH I think CAD is a great comic and tim can do what he likes , if u dont like than either make a funny video about it ( wonder if thats been done before) if u dont like it , sure give ur opinion , but whats with some of the posts ive read

"CAD has gone so farup its own arse it can stick its hand out of its mouth"
Funny - Not Really
Clever - No
Needed - No , really not , no point , in fact i think that person has his head so far up his arse that he can`t see what rubbish posts he is makin as the , ah w8 im being hyppocrytical or however u spell it, i dont really care TBH, i even decided i would make my name to be something u guys wud all think " what a nob " because i really think that one day , Yatzee will line you all up and give you the rewards you deserve for brown nosing him

As for me , funny comic , But that doesnt mean i cant enjoy CAD or i must suddenly kiss ass

Please stop , or no in fact carry on , u make my reads more interesting as you no doubt think i have nothing to do

As for Tim`s story , it doesnt make him sadistic or horrible or an arse , all he did was put something into his comic which most nerds dont like because it doesnt make em feel good about themselves because they cant
A) Blow their load
B) Link it to their friends and say "oo guys this is funny"
C) Relate to it

Ah i think im done , maybe ill post something new , maybe another rant

Gratz yatzee , ur a great person , your videos are funny , but i would rather have followers made out used toilet roll than some of these guys , i apologise for just the one example whoever it was , theres loads ,

Now im done , I will w8 for that happy reply
I can't believe this thread is still going...Well, I can, but I'm surprised it's going longer than the Metal Gear one. Eh, whatever.

Anyway, assuming you're referring to my post, it was, and I quote:
"..Buckley is, and has always been so far up his own ass I'm surprised he hasn't warped physics and vomited up his own head."

It was a statement not meant to be funny or clever, but to be used an example of the ABSURD level of Buckleys ego. If he were merely, I don't know, normal "head up his ass" level, I wouldn't have tossed in the "warping physics and so on" line. Absurd statements made during an argument are frequently only used to parallel an equal level of absurdity or to drive home a point. Oh, and it's "hypocritical". You may want to work with firefox as it has a built in right-click spellcheck if more spelling problems persist.

Gotta say though, the name is pretty odd. Considering even the most bearded-neck in all the land makes it outside to socialize occasionally, I'm not getting where you're going.

That said, I'm curious as to why people believe that because some of us agree with Yahtzee it's brown nosing. Personally, I disagree with him every so often but I don't care enough to get my nickers in a twist trying to defend against valid criticism. I just go "Oh, well, yeah that is the case...But I still love it anyway." Case in point, Super Smash Brothers Brawl. I enjoy the game, but I also see the points made, what with them being accurate and all.

As an aside to that mini-tangent, people read plenty of books that don't make them "feel good" or "Blow their load/funny etc./relate to" Take these for example:

The Ender Series - A series starting with the loss of innocence and the genocide of what is essentially a peaceful race. Said genocide would have been easily averted if not for the language barrier between the two. It moves onward to more death of loved ones and heartbreak, but is held up by the idea of working toward a greater good, in which case individual sacrifice is necessary. I suppose you could say that "Working toward a greater good" could make people feel better, but not quite in the way you're describing.

Silver Surfer "Requiem" - This should fill in that guy who referred to reading "real" comics. It's easily one of the most heartbreaking mini-series I've ever read and most assuredly won't make someone "feel good" because it centers around the almost godlike character DYING GRUESOMELY! Seriously, it's so amazingly beautiful in both art and writing that if you don't at least tear up at the end, you don't have a soul.

The Sandman - Read it, and take a look at the events surrounding Daniel Hall and the end of the series. Hippolyta 'Lyta' Hall reacts in a way that a mother, or anyone for that matter, would if she found out her child was gone. Now child abduction and miscarriage are two VASTLY different topics, but it gives you and idea of how a grieving mother should be acting (Assuming you ignore the "craaazy fantasy" aspect and focus only on her emotions and line of thought.). That aside, the story can be summed up as *SPOILERS* the most convoluted suicide ever *END SPOILERS* I can guarantee there's only a select few people who could relate to Morpheus, and even those who can wouldn't really call it a "feel good" piece.

Just throwing all this out there. I somehow doubt I'll be getting a response, or a rational one at least. C'est la vie.

To Lord_Seth, please refrain from mentioning the "orc rape" storyline ever, forever. The fact that some are fans of it still pains me in ways I can't accurately describe with words...It's best left forgotten. That said, I'm curious as to "the ecstasy of Tech" as well. I can't think of any that it would be.
 

Sho_Minamimoto

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David_Cat said:
Hypersapien said:
I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*
I doubt it. Tim is too mature
You gotta be pretty mature to show your cock to a 14 year old amirite?
 

GuerrillaClock

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Fact is, though, Buckley is up his own arse. You have to be not to allow any form of criticism WHATSOEVER on your forums. Hell, the man sits on wikipedia practically all day and instantly edits any criticism at all. The only reason there is a criticism section is because the admins told him off.
Anyone on his forums who is even in a thread mentioning his Warcraft guild, the cock showing incident or "Webcomics Appreciation Day" (which made Tim a laughing stock because he made up some kind of warped national holiday just to fellate his own ego) is perma-banned.
The purpose of a forum is to allow reasonable debate, and Tim restricts (well, removes) anyones' right to have a reasonable debate about his comic.
Also, he shows he penis to underage girls.
Or has that been mentioned already?
 
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lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously

its just a post , i did it to make people respond ,

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh?

Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that

i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care ,
 

C-Sprach

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously

its just a post , i did it to make people respond ,

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh?

Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that

i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care ,
Go jump in a fire.
 

Tempdude0

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously

its just a post , i did it to make people respond ,

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh?

Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that

i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care ,
And here I was thinking this was all over and done. Ah well, more fun for me.

...Uh, I did respond. What more were you lookin' for there chief? I can speak only in the manner with which I'm accustomed and as such shall in no way endeavor to make my language more palpable for the boorish masses. In other words, I'm not dumbing down my speech for the stupids.

As for getting under my skin, like I said earlier, it's an easy way to kill ten minutes. Besides, it also gives me a chance to get my rant on, and lord knows I don't get to do that very often.

If someone does badly on something in a professional manner, he should expect people throwing his mistakes in his face. This is what happens when you start doing something for money (And since he hocks products based off the comic, I consider his doing it is for the purpose of making money) As for "Standing a chance in making comics" I'd say B^Uckley there isn't exactly comic material either, unless you mean WEB-comics, in which case a retarded quadriplegic is suited for them...So right up your alley.

As for his attempt to "enhance" his comic, if someone designed an arcade game that punched you in the nuts whenever you got hit on screen, you'd be annoyed by it. Sure, it may be an attempt to work with a new direction, but that new direction is obviously centered around a bad idea. The jagoff couldn't even be bothered to see it all the way to the end. He fails ALL OVER the spectrum.

In order:

It does, of course you did hence the correction, no kidding, I would assume not, as I frequently am, your loss, your loss again, I somehow doubt that, I've no clue what "Mr. Men" is, ditto there kiddo, I fail to see why you would be, I'm pretty indifferent either way, and I concur on that last point.

Like I said, this stuff is a good way to waste time while giving me a chance to both rant and do a little debating exercises.

Three minutes to a mini-rant, a new record!
 

Booze Zombie

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
I didn't realize my post would be taken like this as I'm obviously a moron.
I made that post to make people respond, or at least that's what I'm saying now because I look like an idiot.

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days, eh? Especially if you can't read or write properly, form valid arguments or have any actual reason for posting, other than claiming to be an attention whore to cover my stupid ass.

Its just a comic! If he did it badly stop reading it (oh, most of you already said you have...), everyone makes mistakes (such as posting without any reason or writing skills). I am a presumptuous moron who assumes that anyone who hasn't made a web comic has no creative skill or drive.

He has skill (or at least enough to draw some lines, ink them and paste an essay over them), he claimed the "dramatic turn" was to add depth to the comic but in reality it was his mind taking a shit on the comic to make himself feel better.

I didn't know FireFox had a spellchecker (as it's apparently too hard to move my mouse down from the address bar and click a button).
I spelt many things incorrectly, grammar is bad, my name is meant to be funny, but in fact it is not.

I have not read those other comics and I'm not going to, but I do read good books (surprised? I can read!). Mr Men is a good read (Mister Tickle is a laugh riot! And even though I said books I only mentioned one, amazing!).

Comments are nothing to me (besides the medium through which I whore my ego and present my opinions and their meanings). I'm not bothered if you think Tim is up his own arse and I'm not bothered how you meant it... I really do care, tell me more and fuel my ego, I want attention.
 

PingPongJoe

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But the fact remains that CAD is not an action/drama comic made by DC or Marvel, it's a silly, wacky, video game webcomic. Buckley began making this comic in the hopes to make people laugh, and it seems to me that he's lost his way. His arrogence is making him believe that he can get away with webcomic suicide.

If Buckley really wanted to tackle the sensitive issues, he could just as easily make a new, more mature webcomic where he can talk about dead babies all he wants without disrupting the tone CAD. But what he's doing now is the equvilent of a doctor describing the symptoms of AIDS at a Chucky Cheese party.
 

Grey_Area

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Wow. The vitriol. The verbal violence. The hatred. Can it be? Yes, it is conversations on an internet forum!

Well, here, for the record, are my several cents worth.

I tend to like CAD, especially Chef Brian.
I am willing to see where this whole story line goes, but only if it lasts, say, another three or four days tops. I read webcomics as a break from work, and when I do I want to be entertained, not depressed. That said, I can handle some seriousness.
Tim Buckley is venting something and probably should be talking to his friends and not us faceless unknowns.
Now that I have spent a few minutes away from work, I'll go back to it and not follow up on this thread at all.

Ciao bellas and bellos.
GA
 

C-Sprach

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PingPongJoe said:
But what he's doing now is the equvilent of a doctor describing the symptoms of AIDS at a Chucky Cheese party.
Sure - if by "doctor" you mean mediocre webcomic artist. The problem is that Buckley clearly has no experience or knowledge of the subject matter at hand. He only introduced the miscarriage for the purposes of shock value and unnecessary drama. It also served as a plot device to write out the baby he obviously didn't want to include in the comic on a regular basis. This is not someone trying to change the direction of his comic onto more mature territory. It's simply a bad writer fumbling with an unpleasant concept he barely understands in order to increase his website traffic. Now that the deed is done, he's already wiped his hands of it and is going back to making retarded, overly worded game jokes with occasional chauvinistic undertones. Hooray!
 

Epic Wizard

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I like the serious discussion but the people who keep posting "Tim Buckley shows his penis to minors" should either realize that IT PROBABLY NEVER HAPPENED or DEMONSTRATE PROOF.

Since Tim Buckley hasn't been arrested as a child molester then I doubt that the latter will happen which leaves us with the former.

Anyways...

CAD has had serious or semi-serious bits in the past. For example the bit where Lucas' girlfriend tried to kill him with her real boyfriend. Not exactly serious because it was so far fetched but still.

As for Dominic Deegan: I have been reading the comic for a year or two now and I really like it. The author is fleshing out a very deep and involved fantasy universe. So he dealt with ONE unsavory topic. It was done in a way that is MUCH better than the way most Manga deal with anything to do with a serious topic that isn't death. (to clarify I am referring to the way in which 90% of Manga seems to devolve into shots of women's (breasts/underwear/back's while their in the shower) whenever the topic of sexuality comes up)

Do I like to talk about rape or miscarriage? Honestly no. But that doesn't mean I am going to condemn CAD or Dominic Deegan because it dealt with them. If you feel that CAD has gone in a direction that you can't stomach then go do something else besides post venomous opinions all over the internet.

Oh yeah one last thing. I honestly have no idea about the size of Tim Buckley's ego but from his news posts I wouldn't say it's that big. In general I would like hard proof (I can believe the Wikipedia edits bit without everyone linking me to a bunch of page histories) but if I had to guess Mr. Buckley has over reacted because he was afraid of what the internet would do to a bit of hearsay. If I could change one thing about the internet it would be the way in which it can take a totally unsupported statement which is not in any way true and cook up two dozen supports for it in a few days/hours.