Zachary Amaranth said:
Therumancer said:
the pro-gay movement isn't winning, and never really has been
So...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/01/defense-marriage-act-appears-to-be-headed-to-supreme-court-after-appeals-court/
The gays are just lying when they force Fox News to take a break from its "fair and balanced" reporting to mention that an appeals court has ruled DOMA Unconstitutional?
The thing your not getting is that when it comes to situations like this the law doesn't paticularly matter. You can't force people to accept or tolerate homosexuals, or any group for that matter, through legal legislation. What's more interperations on what's constitutional and not vary greatly, for example the founding fathers would disagree with this ruling and point to their own laws and policies as examples of exceptions that the constitutions did not apply to, with anti-gay laws being on the books.
All the current trends are really likely to do is ensure that backlash, when it happens, is going to be increasingly violent and outside of the system. You might not see that, or agree with it, but this isn't the kind of situation where it's going to piddle away like a lot of other civil liberties cases, largely because it actually is differant from them (again read what the other side has to say, you won't agree with it, but they are right about a number of things in this case, albiet all things the pro-gay side claims to have debunked or aren't true with equal ferver to the anti-gay side's nonsense which fuels the conflict and presents any kind of middle ground resolution).
Over all, I think you'll see that time will tell, and you'll see very little in the way of lasting change due to such policies. What's more as the content of the goverment changes you'll probably see rulings changed, modified, or undermined through precedent and new rulings, including those of The Supreme Court.
That said, I'm done argueing the point since I'm not really trying to make an anti-gay arguement, just pointing out the reasons for backlash, and the polarization that exists. Both sides tout various things as victories, court/supreme court rulings are good ones, but at the same time if you ever bother to listen to the other side you'll notice they claim their fair share of victories on their own. The conflict continues and the lines are still drawn 50-50 with a few percentage points either way at any given time, as much as you might try and convince yourself otherwise, the only way to claim victory is to actually erode those numbers, and substantially.