Leaked Metal Gear: Rising Trailer Outs Platinum as Developer [UPDATED]
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No...because The Matrix; Reloaded is a sequel to The Matrix.Wuvlycuddles said:
Now if Metal Gear Rising had been called Metal Gear Solid: Rising well then yeah, I could understand the argument.
Try looking at it like the Legacy of Kain series. We had Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain and Blood Omen 2. Legacy of Kain. Both have you playing as Kain, both have a distinctive gameplay style.
We then had Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver and Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2. Both have you playing as Raziel, both have distinctive gameplay styles.
One series. (Legacy of Kain)
Two...lets call them "sub-series" set within the established world. (Blood Omen and Soul Reaver)
Two lead characters with distinctive gameplay styles. (Kain and Raziel)
Now apply that logic to what we have here.
One series. (Metal Gear)
Two "sub-series". (Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Rising)
Two lead characters with distinctive gameplay styles. (Snake and Raiden)
There's nothing that says Rising has to be exactly the same as Solid. That's what the eventual Metal Gear Solid 5 is gonna be for.
Did you really just insinuate that Ninja Theory is better at hack and slash than Platinum Games?CynderBloc said:Even though I've played the whole MGS series (apart from Peacewalker, stupid postioning of the PSP analogue nub cramps my hand up), I lost a lot of interest in them towards the end of 2/beginning of 3.
I was secretly looking forward to this as it's a step away from the repetitive stealth mechanics of the Metal Gear series as a whole, but.....
Platinum Games? Really?
After their effort to cross Armored Core with Crysis, and more relevantly, the godawful Bayonetta, you think Kojima might have given it to a team that can actually make good Hack n' Slash games
Even Southpeak, who made X-Blades, would have been a better choice
Actually it should be noted that Hideo Kojima has a LOT to do with it, he's involved as a producer if you pay attention. Being the producer (the primary producer going by the credits in fact) it means that he came up with the money to have this game made. That puts his stamp of approval on it, and the blame squarely on his shoulders if it sucks, when this game sees it's release. After all if it's garbage, a disappointment, or an affront to the Metal Gear name he will have chosen to release it to market rather than suck up the loss to preserve the integrity of his creation.CoL0sS said:
A lot of people tend to give creators too much of an easy out when they "merely" take up producing something, or sell a liscence knowing what it's going to be used for. That kind of a thing makes them an even bigger corperate sell out than if they did something themselves and turned out trash.
That said, on the subject in general the whole "Solid" subtitle being gone from this makes sense since we're not dealing with "Solid Snake" or any of those connected to him genetically in any direct fashion (ie Big Boss, Liquid Snake, or whomever else). This is very much set in the Metal Gear universe, but focusing on a totally differant character and storyline.
That said while I could be wrong I expect this to not go over too well. To be entirely honest I've read a few things over the years about Kojima's racism and how the Japanese point of view impacts on all of this. One thing to understand is that the original "Metal Gear" wasn't intended to be a serious game, it was actually MOCKING the 80s action hero, the US military, and the politics at the time. Read the backround information in the instruction booklet for the original game some time.
Given the success of Metal Gear and an attempt to turn it into more of a serious (if campy) techno-thriller there were issues with the whole idea of what amounts to an American protaganist who is hyper-competant especially in the modern arena. Raiden was created by many accounts to try and replace Snake with a more "appropriate" Japanese hero, something that didn't go over well with the primary market in the west, especially with the way the switch was done, even if Raiden himself was popular in Japan as intended.
It's hard to find referances, though you hear about it once in a while, but basically Kojima allegedly keeps wanting to cancel "Metal Gear" because he's pretty much tied by the ankle to a franchise he intended to be a rude joke, which to him the targets were too stupid to get, and more or less forced due to demand and of course the need for money to keep producing more and more things that are the anti-thesis of everything he personally believes in.
Overall, Raiden finally getting his own game(s) doesn't surprise me, but given the reaction to Raiden and some of the things circulating about the character and the reasons for it over the years (mentioned above) it's not surprising Kojima wants to distance himself from it a bit, though I have no real doubts that this is very much his brain child.
Also if you've ever read any analysis of say "Peace Walker", you might wind up getting a definate anti-US/anti-West vibe from that. Oh sure, it can be argued that it's a prequel largely about a "bad guy"... but all the attempts to make it sympathetic and so on did raise a few eyebrows around the fringes, especially when you consider the rumors about the creator before that.
Just a mixed bag of thoughts.
I'm not a big action-game player, but I did like Bayonetta from the bits I played of it. I will however be passing on this game. It *DOES* have some neat ideas and visuals, but at the end of the day it both seems really silly (like low grade, extremely campy Anime, that takes as many misteps as it succeeds with) and probably carries a lot of political baggage with it. I wouldn't be surprised if the game turns out to be a glorified platform for spouting anti-US/anti-Western sentiments.
I admit i also find it odd, but for slightly different reasons.Madara XIII said:
Raiden i actually find to be acceptable in this game, as is the change of genre and such. I mean, this is set during the time just after Raiden was turned into a cyborg Ninja and during the time period a bit before MGS 4. Meaning, worlds gone to hell in a hand-basket and war is quite common, as is the fact giant self-sufficient robots who kill people. So, Raiden acting this way isn't totally out of character or that much of a betrayal. Snakes not being destroyed by this, hell he isn't even in it! So, it's all good, it's just showing another part of the metal gear universe...and yet people are still getting snippy. (I admit I am a BIG Metal Gear Solid Fanboy so that may be affecting me, but all the same I am still excited about this)
Dante meanwhile, I admit is a bit weird: Yes, it's a parallel universe reboot but that doesn't change the fact that it's a complete betrayal of the series. Reboot or no, you have to retain some basic fundamental aspects of the series and the lead: What made them the way they were, why they do what they do and even some parts of the personality and appearance (If it's iconic). For example, look at the new batman films and even Casino Royale: Yes, they changed things but they stayed true to their original source material and atleast kept the fundamental aspects of the lead characters. Considering Ninja theory have completely gutted everything of Dmc and changed it completely around, destroying the original theme, changing Dante to the point he's a totally new character and where it's all looking a little bit too much like a totally different game series just using the Devil May Cry name.
As i've said before, people can like what they want, whether it's rising or the new Dmc but..i do admit i am a bit perplexed by this rather polarized reaction as well.
Holy Patronizing Batman!anthony87 said:
I think I finally understand the concept of a spin off series!
I guess my original argument that Raiden is not a compelling or likeable character and that Stealth Action is what I like most about Metal Gear are now completely invalid?
I'm not patronizing anyone but from the way your post was worded I was under the impression that that you're treating Rising as part of the Metal Gear Solid cannon. Defensive much?Wuvlycuddles said:
And I'm sorry but I fail to see this argument about Raiden not being a comprelling or likable character in any of your posts. Care to point it out? Then again it's not like I'm here to try and force you to like him.
Also, I forgot the refer to your point about X-Com or Syndicate earlier. In answer to that, I've never player either of those games nor even heard of them before all the genre change controversy flared up. Don't plan on playing them either so they could get turned into a rhythm game for all I care.
...hahahaha...HAHAHAHA! "It's not what I expected" "Does seem to play like a MGS game" "Too over the top action." Really...really....are you guys super cereal?...super super cereal?
Okay, original trailer had the name "Metal Gear: Rising" Subtitle: Lighting Bolt Action. The gameplay of said trailer had no lightning bolt action in it at all whatsoever. The cutting was cool but Raiden, considering how he played in MGS4, ran, moved and fought like he did in MGS2. If you remember the cutscene he was moving pretty damn quickly and fluidly too.
Seriously though, the game abbreviated is MGR now not MGS. The name of the "trailers" description is already wrong. Really, did half the people watching miss the subtitle Lightning Bolt Action?
Okay, original trailer had the name "Metal Gear: Rising" Subtitle: Lighting Bolt Action. The gameplay of said trailer had no lightning bolt action in it at all whatsoever. The cutting was cool but Raiden, considering how he played in MGS4, ran, moved and fought like he did in MGS2. If you remember the cutscene he was moving pretty damn quickly and fluidly too.
Seriously though, the game abbreviated is MGR now not MGS. The name of the "trailers" description is already wrong. Really, did half the people watching miss the subtitle Lightning Bolt Action?
Seems very DMC.
Not that DMC is bad, but I'd have prefered some more MGS goodness
I'll have my revengeance for this!
Not that DMC is bad, but I'd have prefered some more MGS goodness
I'll have my revengeance for this!
Is it me, or is this akin to taking a totally different game, putting a well-known name on it, and selling it? It's like a modern day Doki Doki Panic-to-SMB2: put Mario, Luigi, Toad, and the Princess into a different-but-good game and call it "Super Mario."
(Just an observation, not a rant)
(Just an observation, not a rant)
So...Platinum, then. See, I was actually hoping that Rising would be...different. Action game with some hacking and slashing, not...a standard, boring, combo-based hack-and-slash game like Bayonetta but mildly more connected to reality. Desire: Gone.
Vengeance...AGAIN! So it's already a sequel?
Now, seeing as this game has been passed off to Platinum now, that can only mean that Kojima Productions has changed projects and is now in full-on production of Metal Gear Solid 6. Assuming it picks up from what Peace Walker did, at least mechanically...this can only be a very good thing. And no doubt will be identical on PS3 and Vita. (Unless, of course, it's late enough that it gets pushed to the next generation, which wouldn't be entirely surprising.)
Vengeance...AGAIN! So it's already a sequel?
Now, seeing as this game has been passed off to Platinum now, that can only mean that Kojima Productions has changed projects and is now in full-on production of Metal Gear Solid 6. Assuming it picks up from what Peace Walker did, at least mechanically...this can only be a very good thing. And no doubt will be identical on PS3 and Vita. (Unless, of course, it's late enough that it gets pushed to the next generation, which wouldn't be entirely surprising.)
Because they were in Metal Gear Solid 4?Soviet Heavy said:
Seriously, the only addition I see right now is that Raiden cover his eye as a respect toward the Snakes.
Of course you were dearie. But I fail to see how that particular impression was relevant at all, even if I didn't understand the concept of separate continuities. And I'm not defensive, I'm passive aggressive.anthony87 said:
Fair point, mayhaps I was relying too heavily on the power of inference there.
Lastly, your ignorance of those two games doesn't invalidate that off hand remark I made, I was simply implying that you seemed like the kind of person who wouldn't care if someone came along and removed the aspects you enjoyed most from a game in a spin-off/remake/sequel.
Platinum? The same people who made Bayonetta and Vanquish, 2 of the most pure fun games I have ever played? I was already looking forward to this game but now my anticipation is through the roof.
Look up what "Raiden" means.Negatempest said:
