McDonald's incident

[Zerazar]

Bitches deserved it, no doubt. Question is whether he should be allowed in public, which really comes down to how exactly he did things (didn't watch video).

 

[WeAreStevo]

I'm surprised the worker got in more trouble than the girls. THEY initiated the incident, and while the worker may have been a tad overzealous with a metal bar, they did chase him behind the counter.

American justice system aside, he DID beat them with a metal rod, while they just slapped him and were being dicks.
I am by no means defending the girls, but it seems he got what was expected.
I just hope the girls get punished severely for inciting the incident.

I agree that the metal bar may have been overkill, but they DID escalate the situation by jumping over the counter and pursuing the man. For all he knew, they could have had a weapon and were chasing him down to do bodily harm. I'm not necessarily defending him, as once he hit them and they were down that should have been enough. Once was in self defense, but once they were already down continuing the assault is just that, assault.

I think that they played an equal part in this incident and are by no means innocent. I hope they get charged. They deserve that (the metal pole, not so much).

 

[Lolth17]

Luckily the law does not agree with the internet. Using a deadly weapon against an unarmed opponent is very, very much illegal, and I sincerely hope he gets locked up and the key thrown far, far away.

 

[Darius Brogan]

start as an act of self-defense

It was never self-defense. These people were not a threat to him and even if they were, you can't claim self-defense with a deadly weapon (such as a metal rod) unless they're equally armed. That's the law in Massachusetts, but regardless of where this is, he threw the self-defense idea out the window when he continued to beat her. He'll probably still get anger management, but he's going to go to those lessons via prison transport. You don't assault someone with a deadly weapon multiple times and not get thrown in jail because the person you were striking pissed you off. The world doesn't work that way.

It was never self defense? In what way? He obviously tried to walk away. They obviously intended to prevent that, and assaulted him. Regardless of whether or not they were using deadly weapons, they assaulted the man with the intent of causing bodily harm. When he fought back, it was self defense. The fact that he got carried away is directly related to his prior anger management issues.

The simple fact that he tried to walk away is evidence enough that he was attempting to avoid physical conflict, and these women wouldn't let him walk away. His reaction is perfectly understandable given his mental stability, and the situation at hand.

 

[Torrasque]

Geez. I don't know who to side with here.

On one hand, those two shouldn't have got behind the counter and assaulted him. On the other hand, the cashier shouldn't have beaten them while they were still down.

I guess it's a good thing both parties were charged.

I never said you had to take sides, in situations like this it is probably best to pick no sides.
As I have said several times, and as others have said, the guy over reacted and is not blameless, but the women pushed him over the edge and incited the incident. That being said, they didn't deserve all the smacks with the metal rod that they received... maybe 4 each?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

Considering one of them jumped over the counter in pursuit, and the other walked around the counter, I don't think he could have walked away if he wanted to.

There are at least 5 people back there, a manager, a phone to call the cops and at least one door. I'm pretty sure he could have got that ***** away from him without hitting her if he really wanted to.

 

[Whytewulf]

I agree with this mostly. I don't think the ability to stand up on one's own is indicative of being able to fight still. This guy was in the right... and then the video continued another 15-30 seconds beyond the point where they were no longer a threat. He even paused, perhaps to let them get up, if they'd needed that much time to get up, even if they were able to stand they were no longer in any condition to say try and throw another punch.

The only thing I would have changed about the outcome of the sentences (as I think both were in the wrong) is I probably would have allowed some of the guy's sentence to be exchanged for anger management as this did start as an act of self-defense and I think it would be more beneficial to him and the community at large then paying tons of money to keep him locked up longer.

Unfortunately we have no idea what happened below the counter. We also cannot clearly hear anything he is saying or they are saying.

We can assume they were laying there helpless, or we can assume they were lashing out and trying to get up to carry on the fight.

Either way, what we do know is they first insulted, then assaulted, a person just trying to do their job. They jumped the counter in order to continue the assault and attempted to attack someone who was walking away.

Agreed, a lot missing, and the metal bar, I want to know what it really is. I have never really understood people's mentality then when they attack another human being and then get their arse handed to them, they complain. I am sure McDonalds will be sued, though they did nothing wrong per se. They all should be tried and judged with the facts and I am sure that video will be part of the evidence. The blonde yelling yelling to stop getting closer wasn't helping, but then again, she at least was "trying". I sense him standing over them and saying "attack me will you, well, next time you won't". There are posts all over the internet of people getting their hat handed to them, thinking they have easy prey.

For those that are asking, why is he out after a murder.. Did he kill a high school classmate or murder him, two different things. And if tried as a juvinile (sp), he wouldn't have the record after released at 18. I.E. at 14 he gets into a fight, one kid dies.

Also, one question.. about 23 seconds in, did the guy eat part of his burger while filming.. so rude..

 

[FilipJPhry]

Well, the guy is a convicted murderer. If anything, it showed that MacIntosh is still an unstable person who doesn't fit in normal society.

 

[RaikuFA]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

mentally scarred? are you kidding me? they attacked someone over counterfeit money, they deserve everything they got. just because someone works in retail dosent mean they have to take crap from others. its the equivelent of workplace bullying.

but then again with the type of attitude you have about retail youre the type of person who throws a tantrum if the cashier is wearing the wrong color shirt and demand a $50 gift card for it. or at least you agree with people who act like that.

 

[Craorach]

He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry.

Let me make this quite clear... you represent everything that is wrong with the mindset of the fast food industry, and customer service industries in general.

There are NO circumstances in which it is acceptable to either verbally or, worse, physically, abuse someone who is just doing their job.

The customer service industry does a disgusting job of protecting it's staff from abuse by unreasonable individuals. The phrase "The Customer Is Always Right" has been discredited for the most part, but has left an indelible mark on these industries where people can get away with threatening and even performing violence for the tiniest of problems and not be dealt with.

Management in many of these companies are little more protected and able to deal with situations than the staff themselves. In fact, because the staff come from a wide variety of backgrounds, many of the staff are likely more capable. Both Staff and Management are paid pittance compared to other jobs, and expected to put up with the most atrocious abuse while knowing.. for certain.. that their company will not support them no matter what the situation.

Until you see the customer service industry doing what even, for example, my local rubbish tip, does for it's staff... protecting them from abuse and ensuring that anyone who is abusive is refunded and escorted from the premisses no matter what the situation, we will see incidences such as this.. where those of us who work in this industry know we have no choice but to protect ourselves and our own.

 

[Torrasque]

start as an act of self-defense

It was never self-defense. These people were not a threat to him and even if they were, you can't claim self-defense with a deadly weapon (such as a metal rod) unless they're equally armed. That's the law in Massachusetts, but regardless of where this is, he threw the self-defense idea out the window when he continued to beat her. He'll probably still get anger management, but he's going to go to those lessons via prison transport. You don't assault someone with a deadly weapon multiple times and not get thrown in jail because the person you were striking pissed you off. The world doesn't work that way.

So because someone argues with me and slaps me the majority thinks I am in the right to knock them to the ground with a metal bar? Everyone deserves the sentence they received, it seems.

You don't see the difference between "argue and slap" and "jump the counter and chase after someone in their place of work"?

And you don't see anything wrong with his response to that being 'beat this woman to a bloody pulp with a large metal rod that could possibly kill her?'

I think you are both getting carried away with the size and strength of the metal rod, it does not appear to be very large or made of a particularly strong metal since it bends so easily after a few blows. Still probably hurts, but is not the +2 iron bludgeon that you guys make it seem.

 

[scorptatious]

Geez. I don't know who to side with here.

On one hand, those two shouldn't have got behind the counter and assaulted him. On the other hand, the cashier shouldn't have beaten them while they were still down.

I guess it's a good thing both parties were charged.

I never said you had to take sides, in situations like this it is probably best to pick no sides.
As I have said several times, and as others have said, the guy over reacted and is not blameless, but the women pushed him over the edge and incited the incident. That being said, they didn't deserve all the smacks with the metal rod that they received... maybe 4 each?

I know you didn't. It's just that I'm used to sympathizing for a particular side in these kinds of instances.

Both parties clearly did wrong though. So in this instance I'm not going to pick one.

 

[Snotnarok]

He gets attacked and because he attacks back with a weapon he's the bad guy to some. Meanwhile had he not fought back they'd have pounded him till someone pried them away. Does it make it right? No but I feel he was bloody justified doing it, scared with adrenaline pumping you'd probably swing more than you needed too.

 

[TheDooD]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

"I just got assaulted by two customers. Rather then talk to my manager or call the cops, I'm going to severely beat this woman with a metal rod and possibly get thrown in jail for attempted murder in the 1st degree, because that seems like the logical thing to do right now."

Justified my ass. He was getting paid and everybody knows what they're getting into when they get a job in that industry. If you're not prepared to take shit from people, you shouldn't be in the fast food industry. By now its too late for hindsight and now two woman are mentally scarred for life and a man is in jail because everyone was being an goddamn idiot, but Mr. Mcintosh is probably the biggest idiot in that video simply because he was in the position to walk away and he chose not to. Now he's going to jail and he is facing a very serious felony charge, and you know what, I hope they convict his ass, because I don't want a man who thinks the best way out of a situation is to beat someone with a metal rod walking on the streets.

He walked away that's when the broads jumped the counter. What was he suppose to do let those two crazy broads get in the back and possibly break equipment and or get their hands on weapons. His fellow employees could have got the manager while he was dealing with girls at the counter, that's if the bastard was even there. Hell his fellow employees left him out to dry they shouldn't have let'em get close to him. Also who gives a fuck if they're now "mental scarred" for life. You have to mental in the first place to think you can hop the counter at a fast food joint and not expect to get your ass whooped. They shouldn't have acted like they were bad they had what was coming to them 100%. That's why you don't put your hands on people and treat everybody with respect. After you cross that line you'll might just end up getting hurt off of something petty. If anything I'll teach these girls they aren't the shit and the guy is going back to jail because he did what he had to do because it was clear that none of his co-workers was gonna help him.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Luckily the law does not agree with the internet. Using a deadly weapon against an unarmed opponent is very, very much illegal, and I sincerely hope he gets locked up and the key thrown far, far away.

That's a little bit harsh for a guy who had a history of violence, and therefore has serious impulse control problems.

In the video, he's obviously trying to walk away from the women to prevent conflict, ad the women corner him to continue their assault.

Even the MOST reserved human being would react violently when their physical well-being is threatened, especially if there's no way around the situation. Given this guys violent history, the stunned cunts are lucky he didn't beat them to death.

This is another perfect example of 'You never know who you're fucking with'. My best advice in any situation like this is "So don't fuck with people, because there's a good chance they'll beat you to death"

 

[NinjaTigerXIII]

Don't fuck with fast food workers. They get shit all day long and the LAST thing they need is more harassment.

 

[EasySt17]

so... someone smacks you with their purse as you walk away, jumps over a counter in order to continue beating you and you wouldn't do anything to retaliate what so ever?

I would care to point out there is an entire spectrum of action between not retaliating whatsoever and fracturing a person's skull... and being smacked with a purse NEVER warrants a severe beating...

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

I'm surprised the worker got in more trouble than the girls. THEY initiated the incident, and while the worker may have been a tad overzealous with a metal bar, they did chase him behind the counter.

Pretty much this. I could see excessive force maybe, but when they come back behind the counter, especially after hitting you, I'd say you'd be reasonable to assume that you're in danger. Metal rod might have been a bit much, but two on one isn't exaclty fair, either.

 

[docSpitfire]

Unfortunately we have no idea what happened below the counter. We also cannot clearly hear anything he is saying or they are saying.

We can assume they were laying there helpless, or we can assume they were lashing out and trying to get up to carry on the fight.

Either way, what we do know is they first insulted, then assaulted, a person just trying to do their job. They jumped the counter in order to continue the assault and attempted to attack someone who was walking away.

Once they crossed the counter and pursued I still agree with you that he had a right to defend himself with a weapon.

However when it got to the part where he was smacking them laying on the ground, his body language in no way suggested that they were attempting to fight back, if anything it suggested that one of them tried to crawl away, though that for sure is entirely speculation.
He was hitting them in the same spot, not backing away or otherwise reacting to anything they did until he turned to presumably hit the other one who was not quite in the corner. His body language combined with a history or violence and aggression (murder) give credit to the "they were no longer a threat" interpretation of the situation.

I'm just saying, based on what we saw it seems more reasonable to assume that the sentences more or less fit the crimes than it is to assume that he got screwed because violent crazy bitches attacked him at his place of work. No matter how violent or crazy said bitches were.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

Erm...various police forces across the world are extensively trained and equipped to work in groups to take down sole vioent offenders, because getting hit in the face just once with a metal bar can ruin your whole day. A few months ago there was posted here a video of just one guy with a knife in the UK keeping a whole bunch of police at bay.

Now, I'd not want to accuse Maccas of cutting budgets or anything, but I'm not sure if they ensure training and equipment to take down violent staff, or if "tackling co-workers who've already killed when armed with metal bars" if part of the job description.

Well, I understand your point.
Of course it's above and beyond duty of an average worker, but only because it's an intimidately dangerous situations your are not free to watch as a rubberneck.
If one is not egoistic enough to put his health in line to save others that's okay for me. You can surely do that. Even I would probably do that.
But that is not what should have happend. As I already said if the "Soothing Voice" approach fails, overwhelm him and go for the kneecaps as soon as he screams in pain he no longer poses a threat. Some decisions are that easy. If you don't have the guts and nobody else has, the woman is going to be beaten down even more, as seen on the video.