A somewhat easter egg in Majora's Mask. The mask guy has a Mario mask on his bag.Indigo_Dingo said:
Nintendo Wants To "Win Over the Halo Audience"
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Like I always say, the casual and hardcore labels are useless.
I love Nintendo and am still looking forward to their coming games, but they're making a big mistake actively trying to win the "Halo" crowd instead of the "FPS" crowd. Obviously any new FPS released will be immediately and unfairly compared to Halo, but actively saying your games are gonna win over Halo fans just makes it worse.
How I wish developers would make the games THEY want to make again, instead of pandering to the lowest yet highest-paying demographic. Oh well, they gotta make money somehow.
(Also, I'm what'd you call a "hardcore" gamer, and I've played Wii Fit. It's FUN, and just as much a video game as it is an exercise thing).
I love Nintendo and am still looking forward to their coming games, but they're making a big mistake actively trying to win the "Halo" crowd instead of the "FPS" crowd. Obviously any new FPS released will be immediately and unfairly compared to Halo, but actively saying your games are gonna win over Halo fans just makes it worse.
How I wish developers would make the games THEY want to make again, instead of pandering to the lowest yet highest-paying demographic. Oh well, they gotta make money somehow.
(Also, I'm what'd you call a "hardcore" gamer, and I've played Wii Fit. It's FUN, and just as much a video game as it is an exercise thing).
Unfortunately with the bars for graphics, features, and gameplay set as high as they have been with the blockbuster megahits of not only Halo but also GOW, COD, and GTA the shooter crowd will likely abandon what sub-standard title the Wii brings to the table before this theortical point of yours because the sub-standard hardware isn't capable of supporting anything that could meet the expectations that the Wii has been fortunate enough to avoid by going after the non-gamer and children demographics with its spasm controled gamecube.Baconator96 said:
As a regular Wii player, I highly doubt the Wii can "win over the Halo audience. By "Halo Audience", I'm pretty sure Reggie just means the 'core' gamer audience in different words. You guys are taking his statement too literally.
The reason I believe this is not possible because those kind of gamers are absolutely big on online gameplay and graphical powerhouses. The Wii's online is decent but obviously not satisfactory for this audience, and if you plan on going after them, a huge amount of improvements are required.
I'm not the first one to say we need to get rid of friend codes and bring in universal profiling for people. Heck, I'm not sure why Nintendo never did this - using a universal profile that can add friends with a few button prompts is MUCH easier to use (even for a person that does not play video games), than having to look for long series of numbers, writing them down, and then contacting a friend in ANOTHER way, and having him/her do the same for you. Very disappointing and unnecessary, still not sure why they went that route.
So basically, I'm going to say Reggie shouldn't have made this statement at all. Probably should have stuck to something safer like "We still do recognize our core gaming audience - look at our E3 announcements, when was a last time so many 1st party games were announced, etc."
Fortunately, I play for fun and the experience of the games, and not so much competition. High Voltage's multiplayer games should be fine for me, and I'll still be enjoying those great single player games.
The reason I believe this is not possible because those kind of gamers are absolutely big on online gameplay and graphical powerhouses. The Wii's online is decent but obviously not satisfactory for this audience, and if you plan on going after them, a huge amount of improvements are required.
I'm not the first one to say we need to get rid of friend codes and bring in universal profiling for people. Heck, I'm not sure why Nintendo never did this - using a universal profile that can add friends with a few button prompts is MUCH easier to use (even for a person that does not play video games), than having to look for long series of numbers, writing them down, and then contacting a friend in ANOTHER way, and having him/her do the same for you. Very disappointing and unnecessary, still not sure why they went that route.
So basically, I'm going to say Reggie shouldn't have made this statement at all. Probably should have stuck to something safer like "We still do recognize our core gaming audience - look at our E3 announcements, when was a last time so many 1st party games were announced, etc."
Fortunately, I play for fun and the experience of the games, and not so much competition. High Voltage's multiplayer games should be fine for me, and I'll still be enjoying those great single player games.
That's not completely true. Although I agree with you about crappy "Meathead Gamers" (nice name, it has a ring to it.) not all of Halo players are like that, I love Halo and I play a variety of games. From shooters, to Sims (although I suck at them), to fighters, and even RPGs including JRPGs. I have a Wii and God knows I regret that. If I knew what I know now about the Wii I would have bought a PS3 when I had the cash. But I also love Nintendo and trusted the Wii....now it collects dust.Kiutu said:
Haha, just try it, *****.
I'm willing to give DSE a shot since the 360 version got me so hooked, but it won't have the benefit of lush, atmospheric graphics this time around.
*btw, I own a Wii and love it. I've played Metroid Prime 3 and LoZ: Twilight Princess, and they are both fantastic works, artistically and gameplay-wise. I just don't see how they can blend with the world of "hardcore" violence.
I'm willing to give DSE a shot since the 360 version got me so hooked, but it won't have the benefit of lush, atmospheric graphics this time around.
*btw, I own a Wii and love it. I've played Metroid Prime 3 and LoZ: Twilight Princess, and they are both fantastic works, artistically and gameplay-wise. I just don't see how they can blend with the world of "hardcore" violence.
It's...so...simple....yet...so brilliant.The Great JT said:
Hey, best of both worlds.oliveira8 said:
I think the idea behind it is that they want all different types of gamers to respect Nintendo before the next generation of consoles hits.
Nintendo basically has the casual gamer market pinned, so that will be their primary market when they release their next console, but if they can get back some of their core gaming audience then they will be making even more cash next year.
In all fairness, I see myself as being a pretty hardcore gamer (aka: not being over 85 and thinking that WiiSports is the height of gaming) and the only thing stopping me getting a Wii is its lack of "serious" games.
Nintendo basically has the casual gamer market pinned, so that will be their primary market when they release their next console, but if they can get back some of their core gaming audience then they will be making even more cash next year.
In all fairness, I see myself as being a pretty hardcore gamer (aka: not being over 85 and thinking that WiiSports is the height of gaming) and the only thing stopping me getting a Wii is its lack of "serious" games.
Uhhh, actually the minority is the 13 year old idiots. Most people are in private parties or dont communicate. Its just that they grab attention like they intend to.GamingAwesome1 said:
But i want to send a little message to Nintendo.
You lost the hardcore gamer after sending out the gimmicks like wii fit and stuff like that, you are not going to get the audience for one game and expect them to buy the very reason the wii is not popular with that crowd.
Ok, well that's a logical progression.Malygris said:
"Now that I have Dead Space, what next?
Wii Fit of course!"
He wasn't just talking about halo, halo is just a metaphor for the more "mature" audience. Before anyone replies mature is the rating on the box not a representation of the community.
However he will fail because the wii has crap online, controls poorly compared to a controller, lacks any of the next gen effects "mature" gamers expect and has a reputation as the casual brand.
However he will fail because the wii has crap online, controls poorly compared to a controller, lacks any of the next gen effects "mature" gamers expect and has a reputation as the casual brand.
Wow, for a multi-billion successful global corporation, nintendo don't half sound like dopey morons in this announcement. Do they want their primarily younger audience subject to abuse and swearing on the wholesome nintendo forums from the halo-playing doucebags? Trust me nintendo, you don't WANT halo players on your console!
Btw, when they said that halo players may move onto mario kart when they've got a wii, that just cracked me up. "STOP BLUE-SHELLING ME N00BTARD, I'LL FUCKING SHOVE YOUR CONTROLLER UP YOUR ASS, GAYMUNCHER!!!"
Btw, when they said that halo players may move onto mario kart when they've got a wii, that just cracked me up. "STOP BLUE-SHELLING ME N00BTARD, I'LL FUCKING SHOVE YOUR CONTROLLER UP YOUR ASS, GAYMUNCHER!!!"
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33639693
Would you really want to win over a hateful community that scares off most people?
Would you really want to win over a hateful community that scares off most people?
So they want to win over foulmouthed 13-year old boys? That demographic probably owns a lot of Wii's already, you just can't hear them because of the sweet lack of voice acting in online Wii games.
Just try to imagine Mario Kart Wii with voice chat, that would be one of the most horrible things ever.
Just try to imagine Mario Kart Wii with voice chat, that would be one of the most horrible things ever.
I agree with the "if you think those games are the best game ever" part because the best game ever doesnt exist nor will it ever, but thanks for insulting the hardworking people who love the game but arent four year olds or losers and yes, there are exceptions.Kiutu said:
EDIT: also LOL