On Gaymers and Cons

[Samus Aran but a man]

I'm just happy to have a homophobia-free event for gamers. Anyone can attend, so I don't see the so-called "segregative harm" that it apparently causes. Also, it's hard for gays to hook up with other gays, so... yeah that's a good reason to have it.

 

[knight steel]

On Gaymers and Cons

Don't be that guy.

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Dear Mr Carter I would like it if you would NOT use such comments such as the following "steeped in that luxurious ignorance particular to white teenagers".
As I am a white teenager myself I feel offended that you would use a negative stereotype to insult us while then trying to breed understanding and tolerance as you are undermining your own message by doing so (insulting said people who ask said questions when you your self said it is simply because they are ignorant) also does not help your cause and simply anger people.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

Your objection is on par with people objecting to misandry, or reverse racism. Yeah, it's a little hypocritical to stereotype white teenagers, but many deserve it, and there haven't been years of hatred directed at white teenagers. Quit whining.

Nooooooooooooo I doooooooooooon't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant toooooooooooooooooo
But seriously many don't deserve it and how can we ever come together as a group if we flick between hating different groups it just undermines the progress we went through.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

 

[JudgeGame]

On Gaymers and Cons

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Dear Mr Carter I would like it if you would NOT use such comments such as the following "steeped in that luxurious ignorance particular to white teenagers".
As I am a white teenager myself I feel offended that you would use a negative stereotype to insult us while then trying to breed understanding and tolerance as you are undermining your own message by doing so (insulting said people who ask said questions when you your self said it is simply because they are ignorant) also does not help your cause and simply anger people.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

Your objection is on par with people objecting to misandry, or reverse racism. Yeah, it's a little hypocritical to stereotype white teenagers, but many deserve it, and there haven't been years of hatred directed at white teenagers. Quit whining.

Nooooooooooooo I doooooooooooon't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant toooooooooooooooooo
But seriously many don't deserve it and how can we ever come together as a group if we flick between hating different groups it just undermines the progress we went through.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

But you understand that the ignorance comes from the fact they are in a position of privilege and have been able to go through life blissfully unaware of the problems other demographics face, right?

 

[knight steel]

On Gaymers and Cons

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Nooooooooooooo I doooooooooooon't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant toooooooooooooooooo
But seriously many don't deserve it and how can we ever come together as a group if we flick between hating different groups it just undermines the progress we went through.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

But you understand that the ignorance comes from the fact they are in a position of privelege and have been able to go through life blissfully unaware of the problems other demographics face, right?

Hey white people aren't that privileged I mean we have to go to boring to school, It's hard to afford all the great games that come out in a year, and our parent only by us second hand cars........

 

[JudgeGame]

On Gaymers and Cons

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Nooooooooooooo I doooooooooooon't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant toooooooooooooooooo
But seriously many don't deserve it and how can we ever come together as a group if we flick between hating different groups it just undermines the progress we went through.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

But you understand that the ignorance comes from the fact they are in a position of privelege and have been able to go through life blissfully unaware of the problems other demographics face, right?

Hey white people aren't that privileged I mean we have to go to boring to school, It's hard to afford all the great games that come out in a year, and our parent only by us second hand cars........

I really cannot tell but I hope you are joking.

 

[knight steel]

On Gaymers and Cons

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Nooooooooooooo I doooooooooooon't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant toooooooooooooooooo
But seriously many don't deserve it and how can we ever come together as a group if we flick between hating different groups it just undermines the progress we went through.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

But you understand that the ignorance comes from the fact they are in a position of privelege and have been able to go through life blissfully unaware of the problems other demographics face, right?

Hey white people aren't that privileged I mean we have to go to boring to school, It's hard to afford all the great games that come out in a year, and our parent only by us second hand cars........

I really cannot tell but I hope you are joking.

Hey I'm completely serious T_T but that doesn't invalidate my point that attacking us just undermines your point and makes it harder for us to comprehend you and you strange ways!

 

[JudgeGame]

On Gaymers and Cons

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Nooooooooooooo I doooooooooooon't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant toooooooooooooooooo
But seriously many don't deserve it and how can we ever come together as a group if we flick between hating different groups it just undermines the progress we went through.
Your's truly the wonderful all knowing and kind leader of the human race known as knight steel ^_^

But you understand that the ignorance comes from the fact they are in a position of privelege and have been able to go through life blissfully unaware of the problems other demographics face, right?

Hey white people aren't that privileged I mean we have to go to boring to school, It's hard to afford all the great games that come out in a year, and our parent only by us second hand cars........

I really cannot tell but I hope you are joking.

Hey I'm completely serious T_T but that doesn't invalidate my point that attacking us just undermines your point and makes it harder for us to comprehend you and you strange ways!

I think your idea of what constitutes an attack is warped.

 

[Jenvas1306]

How about a con for gamers who arent assholes and/or intolerant? so all sorts of people can go there without having to worry about being discriminated.
Would that do the same or is it necessary that its just for gay people? Cause in that case I want my FemGamercon, especially with an area with access only for TG people like me. A seperate con for that probably wouldnt have many visiotors, but why discriminate just cause of smaller numbers?

 

[JudgeGame]

How about a con for gamers who arent assholes and/or intolerant? so all sorts of people can go there without having to worry about being discriminated.
Would that do the same or is it necessary that its just for gay people? Cause in that case I want my FemGamercon, especially with an area with access only for TG people like me. A seperate con for that probably wouldnt have many visiotors, but why discriminate just cause of smaller numbers?

For the trillionth time, this con ALLOWS ACCESS TO EVERYBODY.

 

[Jenvas1306]

How about a con for gamers who arent assholes and/or intolerant? so all sorts of people can go there without having to worry about being discriminated.
Would that do the same or is it necessary that its just for gay people? Cause in that case I want my FemGamercon, especially with an area with access only for TG people like me. A seperate con for that probably wouldnt have many visiotors, but why discriminate just cause of smaller numbers?

For the trillionth time, this con ALLOWS ACCESS TO EVERYBODY.

I might be underinformed there... what exactly is the prupose of this con again? Its just so homosexuals dont have to be bothered with homophobia? shouldnt that ideally be the case at normal cons?

 

[JudgeGame]

How about a con for gamers who arent assholes and/or intolerant? so all sorts of people can go there without having to worry about being discriminated.
Would that do the same or is it necessary that its just for gay people? Cause in that case I want my FemGamercon, especially with an area with access only for TG people like me. A seperate con for that probably wouldnt have many visiotors, but why discriminate just cause of smaller numbers?

For the trillionth time, this con ALLOWS ACCESS TO EVERYBODY.

I might be underinformed there... what exactly is the prupose of this con again? Its just so homosexuals dont have to be bothered with homophobia? shouldnt that ideally be the case at normal cons?

I haven't informed myself much but the gist is a videogame con that centres around LGBT. Things that might not be present at this con are booth babes, rampant homophobia and masculinity worship. I also assume there will be stricter control over people's behaviour especially regarding misogynistic and homophobic language.

 

[Jenvas1306]

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I haven't informed myself much but the gist is a videogame con that centres around LGBT. Things that might not be present at this con are booth babes, rampant homophobia and masculinity worship. I also assume there will be stricter control over people's behaviour especially regarding misogynistic and homophobic language.

sounds just as a proper regular con should be, but people might just claim that its alright to be homophobic etc as 'this is not the gaymer con' and try to keep it as a safe misogynist zone...
sounds like a thing that could easily happen...

 

[JudgeGame]

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I haven't informed myself much but the gist is a videogame con that centres around LGBT. Things that might not be present at this con are booth babes, rampant homophobia and masculinity worship. I also assume there will be stricter control over people's behaviour especially regarding misogynistic and homophobic language.

sounds just as a proper regular con should be, but people might just claim that its alright to be homophobic etc as 'this is not the gaymer con' and try to keep it as a safe misogynist zone...
sounds like a thing that could easily happen...

Well, jerks are not going anywhere soon. Gaymer X is more like a show of discontent with the current state of conventions than a cure to the problem. Having said that, I'm sure the post-mortem of the operation will be enlightening and contribute a lot of useful knowledge to other people organizing conventions.

 

[Ernil Menegil]

I look at the size of this thread and I weep.

For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is it that goddamn hard to leave LGBT people alone?! Is there REALLY so much of a butthurt that there must be this big a deluge of debate?

Small wonder this world's in the state it is.

 

[CaptainKoala]

This is a logical fallacy. 'Gaymers' are people already within a group who feel obligated to make a sort of subculture out of it, when there is really no need to have one. As long as there is no such thing as a 'Straight Gaming Conference' there is no need for one composing entirely of gay people.

 

[positiveParadox]

-part of an earlie quote-
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP

The sad part is that Jack Chick isn't some kind of epic trolling machine, he actually believes what he says. His entire business is publishing books and comics that basically hate everything that isn't his particular flavor of Christianity.

-end part of an earlier quote-

That was so bad. I think I'm gonna puke.

Are we sure that Jack Chick isn't a troll? In fact if i was shown his stuff without the background context i would have taken his work on Chick Tracts as a Poe, lampooning right wing fundementalist christians.

A little bit of misquoting there. But no worries! I fixed it.
This guy works for -no, founded and owns!- the website and company, www.chick.com and Chick Publications, respectively.
Look at some links at the bottom of his cartoon. He explains his thoughts on D & D in greater detail. HE HATES D & D. Absolutely. His hate is evident to such a degree that he sounds like a member of Westboro Baptist Church damning the gay population of America. The comic was not a joke. He believes that D & D was created with great inspiration from actual Satanists. I must excuse myself. Go read his website for yourself; I cannot continue.

 

[JudgeGame]

This is a logical fallacy. 'Gaymers' are people already within a group who feel obligated to make a sort of subculture out of it, when there is really no need to have one. As long as there is no such thing as a 'Straight Gaming Conference' there is no need for one composing entirely of gay people.

I swear... This convention is not exclusively for LGBT gamers. Anyone can go. As long as you are educated and respectful you will fit right in. This is not a subculture.

 

[Darken12]

Okay fine. I agree with treating people badly who actually actively treat you badly. I'm asking you to not treat people badly who haven't done a damn thing to you, by lumping them in with everyone who has treated you badly. I'm not asking you to not be mad oppressors, I am asking you to stop blaming everyone of same group that the oppressors belong to merely because of their gender and skin color. Your bigotry is just as bad in that regard, and when innocent people are blamed for these things, and then they become bitter at you, then they can argue the same thing, that their hate is reactive and that they should be allowed to paint all minorities as angry and irrational for having treated them in such an unfair way.

It's a two way street. The reason racism/bigotry is bad is because people become automatically judged based on an irrelevant measure of their character, sexuality, gender, race, etc. It's perfectly reasonable to judge someone or not give service to someone who has committed genocide, but that's due to their actions not traits out of their control. However its not reasonable to assume certain factors about a person due to aforementioned irrelevant character traits that have no bearing on who or what the person is or capable of doing, or what they believe.

Blaming an innocent white male for the sins of his family, the sins of school, or the sins of community is completely unjust, and your hatred and bitterness will turn him against you, and hopefully just you. Hopefully it won't color his perception of the entire group because you or another angry person felt justified in their own bigotry.

Bigotry begets bigotry. Only when we sit back and stop painting with broad brushes will things start to cool off. Hating the individuals who oppressed you is okay. Hating an entire group for the actions of said individuals is not.

I completely agree, intellectually, but what about the gray areas? From your post, it sounds that straight people are made up of hate-crime-committing assholes and innocent allies. We both know this isn't the case. What about people who are only slightly homophobic? What about the aforementioned Xbox Live young'uns and the douchebros? You know, the people who keep trying to justify the usage of ****** as a slur, or who firmly believe that being gay is an insult to a guy's masculinity? What about the multitude of people in this very thread who loathe the idea of LGBT people receiving more inclusion, having their own spaces, being more prevalent in gaming culture and the like? And I don't mean "disagree intellectually", I mean the kind of venom and arrogance you've seen in this very thread (and worse. I've seen far worse). What about all those people? I agree that it's unfair to be bigoted against them, but they sure don't seem to care about the way their arguments come off. Why should I pause and think if what I'm saying might be misconstrued as bigotry when they clearly don't do that? And why can't I do what they do, and get defensive when I get called out on my insensitivity and bias?

It's not that easy. You can't snap your fingers and get rid of bigotry, because not all bigotry is loud and obvious. Some bigotry is far more understated.

The problem here is that people still feel alienating heterosexuals, or even drawing protests. A commercial-scale game might be too big an albatross. Or, at least, so they fear.

Just saying.

Judging from this thread, I wouldn't blame them. We still have a long way to go before having a gay main character stops drawing outrage.