Poll: Mindless hatred for the Xbone?

[Vareoth]

Even though everything has a silver lining if you look close enough it doesn't mean you should disregard every bad thing about it. That would be foolish. The Xbone is brandishing some very customer unfriendly ideas about ownership and in my mind that is almost inexcusable with any "silver linings" you might think of.

It does have a better lineup of exclusives right now than the PS4 though.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I like maintaining my consumer rights. Xbox One does not. We're at an impasse, it and I, and it's an impasse that results in me not buying it.

And Microsoft has done nothing to sway me otherwise.

 

[Zeh Don]

OT:
No, there isn't "mindless" hatred towards the Xbone, much in the same way there isn't mindless hatred towards criminals. It's entirely reasonable that people really, really, really, really don't like the Xbone.

The hatred began with rumours, but people kept a relatively open mind. It was all talk of "No, they wouldn't". Then, they did. And since then, virtually everything we've heard about the Xbone has been really, really, really, really bad. Hell, practically daily there's a new article somewhere informing people about some new aspect of the entire Xbone saga.

The hatred, open and free flowing, should be evident of the changes Microsoft are attempting to bring about, and that all of their competitors have openly rejected.

I personally hope that the hate keeps up, right up until launch, to minimise the number of honest and hard working gamers and families that are going to be completely fucked over by this thing.
Fuck, I'll personally stick flyers up across my nearest capital City if it helps. No one - no one at all - should be subjected to this... "console".

 

[Rickin10]

When you're a huge company with an already spotty record at best, then you actively spit in the face of your core market, try to deceive and patronize can you really expect anything else?

I'm actually rather heartened by the sheer level of vitriol being hurled at M$. For too long gamers have just sat back an accepted a load of hugely shitty policies, while publishers in particular have been pushing and pushing to see how much they could get away with.

 

[Torrasque]

I think it's important for all of this hate to reach Microsoft so they can get their shit together, change what we don't like about the system, and make a better system that I'll actually want to buy. The problem with this, is I don't think that they'll listen to anything. They'll make their shitty system with it's shitty things about it, and all we can do about it is not buy it.

Unfortunately, there are going to be sheeple with anything no matter what kind of opinion about that something is, that's just the nature of people who don't like thinking for themselves.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

So thats it then? The Xbone is COMPLETELY worthless and not worth the metal its made with? Is that the whole point of the possibly hundreds of hate-threads on the internet? That....is disturbing. So far nothing in creation has ever been wholly negative. Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done, did contribute to the development of the first space rockets and their deeds formed the basis of the international war crime court.

I just refuse to believe that there is nothing good about it. There is ALWAYS a silver lining regardless how horrible the situation.

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Well since Goodwins Law has just been invoked (by the OP no less) I guess I can add my point.

Yes there is a silver lining.

It's that corporations can see that treating customers like shit won't fly.

 

[Entitled]

There is nothing "smart" or "unbiased" about refusing to acknowledge that some things have more merit than others.

This thread reminds me of how Young Earth creationsist, or homeopathy advocates are demanding equal representation coverage in the news, in the name of "unbiased journalism".

Sometimes, everyone criticises you because you are really that bad. And sometimes everyone ignores you because you are really that irrelevant.

Humans deserve equal treatment. Ideas, products, works, and services need to EARN equal treatment, by being equally good to their competition.

 

[Longstreet]

Wait wait wait, hold up here.

In the first two sentences you give (a few of) the reasons people hate the Xbone.

Then you still continue to call it jumping on the bandwagon blind?

Just because a lot of people have the same opinion, doesn't mean it is not THEIR opinion. It actually means the Xbone well and truly sucks fat donkey balls.

 

[erbi79]

You missed a 4th possible answer
"I am a PC Gamer, thus have been in a forced relationship with Microsoft for many many years, so their policies don't surprise me, and it's just good old schadenfreude at their expense"

 

[Starik20X6]

Microsoft have made zero effort to appeal to me before, and this Xbone debacle has only sunk them deeper. Until their business practices stop sucking Satan's thorny boner, and they bring out some exclusive games that I'd actually want to play, they can get the fuck out of my face.

 

[Whoracle]

I think the whole "Is it really that bad" defense skirts the real issue.

First of all let me say: If the Xbone was the only console in existance, it'd make sense to look for the silver lining, since your options are either "buy an XBox One" or "Don't play games". Even in that case I personally would argue that I'd stop gaming for good, mostly because of the principle of it, but YMMV and I could totally understand other people not making that decision.

But: The question isn't "Buy an Xbone" or "Stop playing", it's "Buy an XBone", "Buy a PS4", "Buy a Wii U" or "Buy a gaming PC".
And in light of that question let me ask you one thing: What makes the XBox One the better choice for you? The only valid reason I can come up with are the exclusives, which are highly subjective. Apart from that, and leaving principles aside, it comes down to a value for money argument.

Cons: XBox One is more expensive, has always online requirements, has the less powerful hardware, relies on cloud connection, has a spycam attached, has a built-in DRM infrastructure, the company has a shitty attitude towards valid complaints.
Equals: Both companies have shown their disdain for the consumer in the past. While sony seems to have remedied that this time around, we'll have to wait and see.
Pros: The sharing of games over the web.

So, as long as they don't drop the Kinect, do away with the always online and DRM infrastructure, spice up their hardware and lower the price, it's simply an objectively worse purchase. Once they do that, it comes down to exclusives really. No amount of looking for a silver lining will change that.

And really, I'm not married to Microsoft. Why should I, the customer, look for merits in the console? That's their marketing teams job. They want to sell the thing to ME, not I to the community. So far they have shown zero incentive for buying one, just a bunch of restrictions that MIGHT not apply to me, specifically. And even without those, the higher price and slower hardware still stands.

 

[Elemental]

I really don't give a shit about it, all this internet and TV stuff turns me off and it doesn't even have support where I live
So fuck that I'm either getting a PS4 or a really good PC

 

[Denamic]

Just because your opinion is the same as almost everyone else's, it doesn't mean you haven't made your own opinion. No one likes hipsters.

This isn't really about bias. I'm sure there's a lot of people who hate the Xbone because that's what everyone else does, but the Xbone really is genuinely bad. It's objectively worse for the consumer in virtually every possible way compared to the PS4. And aside from the launch exclusives, this will undoubtedly also impact the future game library for the console, unless they pull some miraculous recovery. Which is unlikely. There's just no good reason to have anything but contempt for the Xbone, because whatever positive qualities it has is so eclipsed by an avalanche of shit that they're barely even worth notice.

 

[xdiesp]

Why u no love Corporate America?!

 

[McKitten]

So thats it then? The Xbone is COMPLETELY worthless and not worth the metal its made with? Is that the whole point of the possibly hundreds of hate-threads on the internet? That....is disturbing. So far nothing in creation has ever been wholly negative. Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done, did contribute to the development of the first space rockets and their deeds formed the basis of the international war crime court.

I just refuse to believe that there is nothing good about it. There is ALWAYS a silver lining regardless how horrible the situation.

You seem to misunderstand the basic dynamics that are at play here. I am a potential customer and Microsoft wants my business. It is not my job to find a silver lining, it is their job to convince me that their product is worth my money. And all they've done so far is alienating customers, taking customer rights away, telling customers they're backwards for not wanting the product as it is, pretty much telling customers who complain that they're just to stupid to understand how awesome the product is. Newsflash: it is not the job of a customer to make an effort to like the product. It is the job of the business to offer a product that the customer actually wants. So it doesn't matter if there's any redeeming qualities of the Xbone and it's not our job to look for them. That's Microsoft's job, and they're not doing it well.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

I think alot of people love their 360, and now MS has made buying the next xbox a conflicting choice. They really want it, but cant due to all the negative aspects of it. I understand that, especially if you are a fan of Halo, Gears or Forza. But I think its becoming popular to act dramatic with the hatred.

End of the day, MS told us what they are doing. An we can chose whether we buy it or not. I chose not to buy and have moved on, I still enjoy reading about xbone, but I dont care about it anymore. Like those that still moan about ME3 ending, just let it go and move on.

 

[Doclector]

It's excusable in this case, because it is far from mindless. The xbone is one of the most absurdly anti-consumer products we've seen for a long time, and a possible threat to the future of consumer rights in videogaming. Damn right people are going to shit on it, because it damn near HAS to be. If enough people buy into their crap, microsoft and other companies are going to think that they can keep trying it.

 

[SecondPrize]

Yeah sure, the inability to share games IS bad. The possibility of the "big brother is watching you" scenario IS bad. The constant internet requirements IS a low blow.

However, is no one out there trying to find any bright-spots in this mouldering black hole of a topic? Or is everyone simply going with the flow regarding the Xbone and hopping on the FACK TEH BAWKZ bandwagon because they can't be bothered to make their own opinion?

I mean, I don't like the Xbone ( And I own an extremely worn out white 360 ) , but don't you think all this mindless hatred is going a bit far?

Every forum I wonder on, heck nevermind forums, even SOCIAL MEDIA is choked up with tens of thousands of horrible meme jokes berating the Xbone.

So do people genuinely hate the Xbone that horribly? Or are they simply too lazy to make their own opinion and go from there? Nothing is completely bad , that is the bias talking.

I don't get how you think this is mindless hatred you're seeing online. Any of the decisions MS has made is a good reason to not want to purchase the console. There doesn't need to be hatred involved, just a recognition that this or that aspect of the console is something that's going to keep one from purchasing it. Had microsoft made none of their poor decisions and people were still behaving like they are, then sure that'd be mindless hatred. As it stands now, there are valid reasons for the complaints you see online.

 

[Nazulu]

How is it mindless hatred when the problems are very clear? Why do I have to look for positives in something that in no way can make up for all the flaws? Why should I have to do something like look for positives to please certain people?

 

[Winterfel]

So do people genuinely hate the Xbone that horribly? Or are they simply too lazy to make their own opinion and go from there? Nothing is completely bad , that is the bias talking.

The Xbone isn't completely bad.
However you can't state a single positive thing about Microsofts attitude here. They're not actually viewing you as a customer as much as a obstacle they must overcome.
So why would you go to Microsoft that clearly do not want anything to do with you? I mean Sony and even Nintendo actually treats you like a customer and atleast acts like they want you to be intrested in what they're selling. Microsoft on the other hand just goes "For the love of god are you living in ancient Greece or something? If your connection isn't atleast THIS good you shouldn't even be allowed to own a console, let alone question us!".