Samurai Jack Season 5 thread.

[Erttheking]

The salt only made this better.

After being drowned in implied lesbian romance in Adventure Time, Legend of Korra, and Steven Universe.....this was inevitable

Maybe it's because I don't go to tumblr ever, but why...? Why is this reaction a thing that exists? "How dare this show remind me that heterosexual relationships exist!" I mean what were they hoping for? Jack and the Scotsman hooking up? The Scotsman is married. And dead now. Ashi and... anyone? Literally the only person she knows is Jack. I just cannot see how these people could have seen a non-hetero relationship being possible here.

It was just one of the reactions in that picture. The reasons for people having an issue with this range from everything from being creeped out by the age gab (Jack is in his 70s-80s by this point) to thinking it's cliche, to just kinda bleh, Tumblr is being stereotyped again.

Actually it was two. Did those comments need to be the whole of the picture for me to be baffled by them? It's a crazy reaction to have, whether it's 2 people or 10. And I don't really care about stereotyping a website. It doesn't have feelings. 4chan is a wretched hive of scum and villainy and facebook is nothing but fake news and outdated memes. Who cares?

Huh. My bad.

I usually don't mind, it's just that Tumblr in general tends to be treated as a punching bag in generally for...fuck, you name it, Tumblr has probably been blamed for it in one point. I just tend to not like stereotyping. Hell, I dislike it when people take shots at the Sonic fanbase, that's the kind of person I am.

 

[Asita]

It has nothing to do with his physical appearance. There was a Green Lantern comic that dealt with an underage girl trying to be with the main character by transforming her body into that of a full grown woman. The problem with that is that, emotionally, she's still underage. There's a massive gap between the two in that regard, doubly so in that, in a lot of ways, Ashi is very emotionally stunted due to her emotionally suppressed upbringing. You can't just shake that off, and Jack's lack of having sex has very little impact on it.

Eh, I can empathize with the emotional stunted part to a point, but the age gap thing kinda rings hollow with the whole slow/no aging thing. Comparative age works in real life because of a combination of physical aging, mental development, potential for mental issues (senility and dementia, for instance), and societal expectation (most notably schooling, working, and retiring) among other things. Simply put, someone who's 20 and someone who's 82 are generally not going to be considered peers.

That largely goes out the window in the case of the extraordinarily long lived and immortal in fiction. That Jack and Aragorn (Lord of the Rings) would be geriatrics by real world standards doesn't change the fact that their age is a purely informed trait. For all intents and purposes they're 30-something, and simply have been 30-something for a very long time...which you wouldn't even know at a glance. Despite the nominal age gap, Ashi and Eowen are still more their peers than "da samurai" and Denethor are. Like Ashi and Eowen, Jack and Aragorn are still in the early to mid portions of their lives and are practically indistinguishable in action and appearance from ordinary 30-something year olds, if a good bit more worldly than average.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

Loved it.

edit - promo for next episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LZnx1-tB8&feature=youtu.be

Think he will be fighting a blue guy?

Fight? No. Find him, yes. But as Aku said, all the portals are gone, and the only thing that can harm Aku is Jack's sword. So if Aku went after that portal too, the Blue Guy may have put a fantastic fight, but he lost.

I'm betting that shocked/horrified look we see on Jack's face is either him finding the body of the Blue Guy, or maybe the body of magic bird that brought Jack there the first time. It's probably the second one, as I can't imagine they're just going to rub the Blue Guy out by having him dead like that. I'm sure Jack's going to have questions for him.
Kind of wondering where Ashi is though, considering how the last episode ended...

 

[MrBoBo]

The problem with that is that, emotionally, she's still underage.
I don't mind it, but the people who have issues with it aren't complaining about nothing.

But if you listen to the scene where she is naked, Jack is emotionally juvenile himself. So, I'm still not getting this argument. Both physically and mentality, he is comparable to young person. The dialogue itself indicates he's probably never had intimate relations with a women before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e4EIFQTNQ8

Not getting how it's cliche' either, they basically have symbolic sex through fighting.

 

[PapaGreg096]

The reasons for people having an issue with this range from everything from being creeped out by the age gab (Jack is in his 70s-80s by this point) to thinking it's cliche, to just kinda bleh, Tumblr is being stereotyped again.

Not really getting the arguments how this was rushed. From episode 2 to 8, it went from her almost killing him, to be being captured, starting to see he wasn't what she was led to believe, being converted, saving him, protecting him as he rediscovered himself e.t.c.. Both characters went through an arc of character developments intertwined and this seems like a logical culmination. He didn't just pull it out his ass.

Because for the last three episodes we went from mild compliments to them bumping each other and blushing I don't know to me thats a pretty big leap between episodes

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

I don't mind it, but the people who have issues with it aren't complaining about nothing.

I think they are, in this case. At the end of the day, both Jack and Ashi are functioning adults. Biologically and mentally.
Maybe because i wasn't exposed to tumblr back then, but i didn't hear age gap complaints about, for example, Katara(Who's like what, 14?) ending up with that old, 100 y.o. fart, Aang.
On a side note: I don't like this argument because it can also be spun around to justify that old trope in manga/anime, that it's totally okay to sexualize characters looking like they're not even teenagers, because "oh it's ok, she's in fact 1000 years old!".

The problem is who can Ashi possibly be lesbians with considering that among other women well.....she's not was not treated well by other women

I don't think that's how being a lesbian works, mate.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I don't mind it, but the people who have issues with it aren't complaining about nothing.

I think they are, in this case. At the end of the day, both Jack and Ashi are functioning adults. Biologically and mentally.
Maybe because i wasn't exposed to tumblr back then, but i didn't hear age gap complaints about, for example, Katara(Who's like what, 14?) ending up with that old, 100 y.o. fart, Aang.
On a side note: I don't like this argument because it can also be spun around to justify that old trope in manga/anime, that it's totally okay to sexualize characters looking like they're not even teenagers, because "oh it's ok, she's in fact 1000 years old!".

thats just one part of it though

you still have people pointing out how it doesnt fit thematically, or that it feels rushed (since ashi was a feral child assassin like 3 episodes ago) or that it doesn't make sense to give Jack a third act love interest in the 11th hour of the plot for no other reason than to reward him for the stuff he's been through

I mean how long has it been in-universe since Jack fought the Daughters of Aku? because it feels like just a week ago since the girls were so sheltered they didn't even know what deer were. Or what kissing was. They thought that two deer kissing were trying to kill eachtother.

seeing Ashi go from "Laura from Wolverine" to fully functional adult in 5 seconds feels like a massive waste of plot in a series that previously focused on it. basically, it feels like the worst kind of fanfiction (in a revival thats been 90% fanfiction)

And again the blame lies entirely on the fact that they had 10 episodes to work with each 30 min long and the stories and arcs this introduced deserves at least 20 or 30 episodes at least or 10-20 episodes but each are an Hour Long.

Like why did they fast forward 50 years, we have to assume what Jack went through that made him became a depressed and suicidal person.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Jeez I mean look how rapid this season was summed up here:

The first 3 episodes (or Episode 2 and 3 really) was fucking awesome.

 

[Extra-Ordinary]

I don't have any strong feelings about Jack and Ashi getting together, I truly don't.

But my sister and I were laughing about what they're gonna tell their kids if they ask how mom and dad met.

 

[PapaGreg096]

I don't have any strong feelings about Jack and Ashi getting together, I truly don't.

But my sister and I were laughing about what they're gonna tell their kids if they ask how mom and dad met.

"And after Jack killed all of my sisters we were swallowed by a giant beast"

 

[MrBoBo]

I don't have any strong feelings about Jack and Ashi getting together, I truly don't.

But my sister and I were laughing about what they're gonna tell their kids if they ask how mom and dad met.

"And after Jack killed all of my sisters we were swallowed by a giant beast"

Then I killed my mother.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

I was kinda disappointed at first, hoping for a sort of father-daughter/mentor-student relationship... but I've mellowed out a bit. (And they both have a reason to be awkward about their relationship)... I do agree that this season feels a bit rushed, though. Makes me worried how the finale is going to turn out...

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I was kinda disappointed at first, hoping for a sort of father-daughter/mentor-student relationship... but I've mellowed out a bit. (And they both have a reason to be awkward about their relationship)... I do agree that this season feels a bit rushed, though. Makes me worried how the finale is going to turn out...

I think one of the biggest mistake they did was fast forwarding 50 years with barely an explination.

Who knows what happened in those 50 years that made Jack as he is today and the resolution with the Horsemen that stalked Jack had the worse possible resolutuion ever. Jack just straight up one shot him and the end his depression, his suicidal thought, gone.

And that is what makes it so sad because it was such an interesting concept. I made the mistake of watching a speculation video and the person had much more interesting ideas than what transpired.

 

[PapaGreg096]

I kinda wish we saw more of Jack using modern weapons, I don't know I can still see him using a pistol or something

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I was kinda disappointed at first, hoping for a sort of father-daughter/mentor-student relationship... but I've mellowed out a bit. (And they both have a reason to be awkward about their relationship)... I do agree that this season feels a bit rushed, though. Makes me worried how the finale is going to turn out...

I think one of the biggest mistake they did was fast forwarding 50 years with barely an explination.

Who knows what happened in those 50 years that made Jack as he is today and the resolution with the Horsemen that stalked Jack had the worse possible resolutuion ever. Jack just straight up one shot him and the end his depression, his suicidal thought, gone.

And that is what makes it so sad because it was such an interesting concept. I made the mistake of watching a speculation video and the person had much more interesting ideas than what transpired.

They did leave a big gap in the episode numbering so it's not impossible to bridge it if the demand for more was very high.

And 2nd is the plots they did introduce I feel they had wasted Opportunity.

The Horsemen that stalked Jack could have had a better story than just "Grim-Reaper for Failures" like this guy in youtube said the horsemen represents Jack himself in that its Jack who is comferatable in living in this world, he's given up on fighting Aku and decides to just live his life as a badass warlord. But again that's the problem with Speculation, you come up with cooler things than what the creators actually intend.

And again the final confrontation with Ashi's mother could have been so much better, it should have been a whole episode on its own. With both Jack and Ashi confronting her. And an expliantion as to who she is and why.

 

[MrBoBo]

I disagree, I think the horseman worked far better as a vague demon vision. When it become literal, and he started fighting it, and Ashi could see it, the figure suddenly became less interesting.

The way The Bruce Lee Story did it (which is almost the exact same) was far better imo, where it unexpectedly bursts him into vision that is apparently real, but in the context of the movie, isn't.

ref for people who haven't seen it -


They sort of done this with his "bad karma" Jack, but the lazor beams was abit easy. In the Bruce Lee scene there is a sense of menace and threat.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Look at this image and what do you see?

 

[Asita]

Look at this image and what do you see?

Exactly what was telegraphed two episodes ago?

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

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TBF, we don't know how much time Ashi have spent looking for Jack.
But, yeah, it did feel rushed, just like this entire overarching plot from ep. 4 onwards. Barring subtle hints before that, entire romance exposition was dumped into this last ep. I can agree with people that criticize this from bad/rushed writing standpoint. The rest though... it's just people's personal opinions on what's gross, for me.

I don't have any strong feelings about Jack and Ashi getting together, I truly don't.

But my sister and I were laughing about what they're gonna tell their kids if they ask how mom and dad met.

"And after Jack killed all of my sisters we were swallowed by a giant beast"

"And after i killed all of her sisters, i wasn't exactly left with a choice. And that's how i met your mother."

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

20 mins until next episode.

After how rushed this season was so far and how the quality dipped low since Episode 3 I am worried than excited now.

Good Greif Episode 2 and 3 were amazing. What happened?

4. Was alright but felt filler-ish.

5. Was the start of the pacing issues.

6. Dissapointed me with unfufilling resolution of the Horsemen that Stalked Jack, also fucking Scaramouche eating up valuable screentime.

7. Had the other unfufilling resolution of Ashi's Mother.

8. Eh looking back its not that bad but it felt filler-ish.