What does the world have against America?

[AladdinSane]

Well Communism seems to be going pretty well for China

Bwahahahahahaha! China is doing well due to relaxing typical Communist restrictions on property ownership, ownership of the means of production ... basically they've permitted general-purpose capitalism to exist in certain restricted areas.

If you're going to suggest that a nation of 1.3 billion people doing fractionally as well as a nation of 300 million (America) makes Communism the best, by all means argue on. Most folks won't be persuaded.

Chinese GDP is about 6 trillion. US GDP is about 15 trillion. You do the math...

Now, there remains my central point regarding evil. If you embrace Communism, then you advocate the notion that simply by continuing to breathe, you have a legal claim to my wages and property. That's evil.

Any comments?

 

[AladdinSane]

This post represents why people hate the United States.

Really. I didn't see anything in either the post, or your response, that would suggest any precise reason why.

Now, I understand that you lefties need to confirm your PC bona-fides with your fellows every so often by being dismissive like this, wouldn't get invited to the good parties and such if you don't puke out the talking point every so often.

But just this once, why don't you take just one point I made, one specific point, and give me one specific reason why it's wrong?

 

[AladdinSane]

Funny how all you care are the numbers.

Numbers are factual, so I care for them. I deal in fact, not wish.

You asserted that Communist China was an example of the superiority of Communism, I nuked your argument with facts. Now you suggest that using facts is somehow a problem on my part. Typical.

The *FACTS* are, Communism is an evil form of institutionalized thievery that fails wherever it's tried. Even in China. They had to relax it to become anything at all.

because the US are the 3rd most populated country in the World, so you have a good advantage.

Uh, China is the *MOST POPULATED* country in the world. We are the third. Who has the advantage?

If you can't get your own argument in order, you shouldn't argue with me. I'm sort of the "Maximum Difficulty" setting in your game.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Because they're a big, powerful nation that knows it.
And everybody likes to feel smarter than Americans.
And because its popular to hate em. Can't forget that.

 

[ZeroMachine]

This post represents why people hate the United States.

Really. I didn't see anything in either the post, or your response, that would suggest any precise reason why.

Now, I understand that you lefties need to confirm your PC bona-fides with your fellows every so often by being dismissive like this, wouldn't get invited to the good parties and such if you don't puke out the talking point every so often.

But just this once, why don't you take just one point I made, one specific point, and give me one specific reason why it's wrong?

Hey there.

Fellow American here.

Your entire damn post REEKED of bullshit nationalistic arrogance.

We aren't some country of knights in shining armor. We don't "grow the corn that feeds the entire globe". We don't "invent virtually everything of any importance". And this:

When we bleed and die protecting weak, incapable nations from invasions and wars, we ask for nothing in return but a bit of land under which to bury our dead.

is the biggest, most disgusting and disturbing pile of absolute horse shit I've ever seen anyone post anywhere on the internet, save for people that were deliberately lying in order to troll or satirize something.

I really, really, REALLY hope you're doing either of those things. Seriously. Because your entire post, ESPECIALLY that last part, is too picture perfect of an example of the sort of image our government wants the world to think is true.

Now, I don't hate America (yet, but we're getting close). I DEFINITELY don't hate Americans, or any other person from any country/nationality/ethnicity. I judge everyone I meet individually. But I sure as shit am not going to deny that our government is definitely not clean or heroic.

I apologize for a lot of the bullshit that our government has done, for the fact that we, as a people, don't stand up against what they've done, and for people like AlladinSane. If he's serious. Which, again, I seriously hope he isn't.

 

[Peranzi]

I consider it to be mainly not a hate of Americans but a hate of the american stereotype as it is portrayed in various media's.

 

[AladdinSane]

Communism being evil is only a fact in ignorant peoples head.

Really. Then explain the moral calculus that gives you a claim to my wages. Under what rational moral basis are you entitled to any fraction of my wages?

Suppose you get sick, and it's difficult to afford your medicine. Is it moral for you to break into my house and steal my money to buy your medicine?

 

[mangosofdoom]

Well Communism seems to be going pretty well for China

Bwahahahahahaha! China is doing well due to relaxing typical Communist restrictions on property ownership, ownership of the means of production ... basically they've permitted general-purpose capitalism to exist in certain restricted areas.

If you're going to suggest that a nation of 1.3 billion people doing fractionally as well as a nation of 300 million (America) makes Communism the best, by all means argue on. Most folks won't be persuaded.

Chinese GDP is about 6 trillion. US GDP is about 15 trillion. You do the math...

Now, there remains my central point regarding evil. If you embrace Communism, then you advocate the notion that simply by continuing to breathe, you have a legal claim to my wages and property. That's evil.

Any comments?

seems pretty extreme and narrow minded to accuse someone of being evil which is a purely subjective term based on your own perception, for believing in something you don't. Now i also never stated that I believed in communism in any way shape or form just pointing out that China is doing well despite not being a country like the USA. So your accusations are not only completely unfounded but probably reveal quite a bit about yourself.

Also doesn't your last comment work both ways so you are entitled to my property and wages, which as far as I know is simply called sharing...

any comments.

 

[Al-Bundy-da-G]

"nosing on around other people's business"

That is a huge reason. The Vietnam war started because the US didn't like how communism was expanding. It's not their country, they have no right in going gun blazing to "fix" things. Im glad they lost that war. If they had won they probably would have gone after the othe communist counties and more people would have been killed.

Still on war. Both world wars the US stayed neutral for the first half so they could get rich selling weapons but when someone rocked the boat to much they enter and act like they were there the whole time. Then they act like they won the whole war by themsleves.

Much of the news about the US that get to other counties normally isn't the nice kind. It's wacky religious group does this, wacky laws have or might get passed or something bad happened to US soldiers in the Middle East. Sure other counties can have the same sort of crazy stuff happening but they aren't in the public eye. They are just too small for the public eye.

Tourists, I know many countries have tourists making their country look bad or stupid but when it comes to the Western world. The USA's population is a large percentage even if you combine all of the western world. Im Australian I know that many Asian tourists hotspots that think Aussie tourists are loud, rude & disrepectful. Many of the people in those countries even though the Australians have got that rep there they class all Westerners in it. So when an American goes there they get the same shit because some other white guy gave everyone a bad name.

That would be my top reason why I believe the USA have such a reputation in the eyes of the world. The sad thing is it has nothing to do with the average US person. Why should the average US person be blamed for what their government did? Because they might have voted for them? Thats unfair. I know I don't agree with all of what the government parties I support do. Even if you still want to use "because they voted them in" Im sure the early 20s tourist really voted for the party that caused the US to enter WW1 or WW2 or even Vietnam. They don't control the media or what other westerners did on holidays.

If only everyone gave everyone a fair go instead of judging them before they get to know them.

To us in England, a lot of us are personally jaded towards the US, since they act like the spokesperson for the English-speaking West, and we do not like that. But for some reason, our leaders insist on sucking up to the States, even if we're well aware it makes no sense. Now we end up with Muslim extremists on our own soil, lumping us in with the Americans, despite the fact we're only in their countries because our leaders weren't man enough to tell the US to stop being such dicks.

I mean, really. Shooting Pakistani soldiers? Encroaching on Pakistani sovereign soil, and the moment they tell you to fuck off, you suddenly find ibn-Laden there? America, you ARE disgusting. You've imposed a sanction on buying Iranian oil, because Iran are supposedly developing nukes.
Well. You have nukes. I wouldn't be surprised if Iran is worried about a joint Israeli/American invasion. Wouldn't put it past you.
Oh, and the Iranian caught with radioactive contraband and Moscow International - what exactly are you trying to pull here? I'm fairly sure that if Iran wanted nuclear supplies, they wouldn't need to send a civilian via commercial airline.

And of course there's the Lockerbie bomber incident in the past. Scotland had no evidence with which to try the suspect, but did the Americans care? Nope. They wanted to put somebody away so they could swing their dicks at the public and say "Look what good anti-terrorists we are."

I feel so bad for the American people. In the Middle East, there are people that would happily burn you and rape your family due to the actions of your government. I know a lot of you are stupid, a lot of you are ignorant, and a few are completely insane, but you're really not bad people. 99% of the Americans on this site certainly don't fit into the above groups, but thanks to your leaders, you're the Infidel now.

Muslim extremists attacked your country because their leaders are pissed off and using young men to push their own agendas foward. We do not control the Taliban or Al Queada. They attack because they can it is noyt the fault of the US nor is it the fault of the UK.

The US get 99% of it's oil from Canada, various South American countries, and from domestic sources. The war was never about oil, We needed to get into Pakistan to search for the terrorist leaders but we had no cause to invade, so we invaded Iraq on the pretence liberation to have a base of operations close to Pakistan. And yes Iran would pull that crap with the airline. Their still a third world country no matter how you look at it. Half their operations end up self destructing due to incompetence.

I feel bad for the people of the UK. Knowing that your government is watching your every move on their CCTV network. How terrible it must be to know that your being watched at all times. Their are people in my neighborhood from Iran, Iraq, and the UAE. They say the reason there is so much hate for America is pressure from extremist groups, not because of actual experience with Americans.

 

[AladdinSane]

Hey there.

Pretty pathetic rant. Okay, you found my last part most disturbing, the one where I pointed out that in all the times we've bleed and died for some foreign nation, all we ever asked for was ground to bury our dead under.

By all means, point out the time we asked for more. Until then, you've really got nothing to say. Since obviously, the only thing you want to do is reiterate the fact that you're a liberal.

Unwilling to engage on fact, capable only of ranting.

 

[DRes82]

This post represents why people hate the United States.

Really. I didn't see anything in either the post, or your response, that would suggest any precise reason why.

Now, I understand that you lefties need to confirm your PC bona-fides with your fellows every so often by being dismissive like this, wouldn't get invited to the good parties and such if you don't puke out the talking point every so often.

But just this once, why don't you take just one point I made, one specific point, and give me one specific reason why it's wrong?

Hey there.

Fellow American here.

Your entire damn post REEKED of bullshit nationalistic arrogance.

We aren't some country of knights in shining armor. We don't "grow the corn that feeds the entire globe". We don't "invent virtually everything of any importance". And this:

When we bleed and die protecting weak, incapable nations from invasions and wars, we ask for nothing in return but a bit of land under which to bury our dead.

is the biggest, most disgusting and disturbing pile of absolute horse shit I've ever seen anyone post anywhere on the internet, save for people that were deliberately lying in order to troll or satirize something.

I really, really, REALLY hope you're doing either of those things. Seriously. Because your entire post, ESPECIALLY that last part, is too picture perfect of an example of the sort of image our government wants the world to think is true.

Now, I don't hate America (yet, but we're getting close). I DEFINITELY don't hate Americans, or any other person from any country/nationality/ethnicity. I judge everyone I meet individually. But I sure as shit am not going to deny that our government is definitely not clean or heroic.

I apologize for a lot of the bullshit that our government has done, for the fact that we, as a people, don't stand up against what they've done, and for people like AlladinSane. If he's serious. Which, again, I seriously hope he isn't.

Don't apologize for the US. Stop bitching and whining about how awful the country is for infringing on others' rights and go do something about it. Sell your American assets in protest. Go live in Somalia or Afghanistan. Put your money where your mouth is or shut the fuck up, because spewing hypocritical, self-righteous, whiny bullshit is just as bad as if not worse than nationalistic bullshit. You won't, because you like what your country and 'fellow Americans' provide for you. A decent life with plenty of opportunities.

 

[AladdinSane]

evil which is a purely subjective term.

Evil is purely subjective? How interesting. If I rape you, under what conditions is it other than evil? I'd like to get a better handle on this, "There is no real evil, it's all subjective" thing before we continue on to my question, which was:

Now, there remains my central point regarding evil. If you embrace Communism, then you advocate the notion that simply by continuing to breathe, you have a legal claim to my wages and property. That's evil.

Oh, and last I checked, "sharing" was purely voluntary. As I understand it, you don't get a choice whether or with whom you "share" under a collectivist regime.

 

[Dunkerloop]

Coming from a person in America, I dislike it because of how much of a negative image it puts of itself out there without caring about how it could affect itself or others opinions.

 

[scorptatious]

I think it's kind of retarded how many people on here go out of there way to hate on America. Sure, we're not perfect. We elect idiots into office. Plus we are trying to pass a law that may very well destroy the internet.

But the fact that this site seems to focus it's hate on America instead of practically any other country strikes me as somewhat biased and hypocritical.

Hey guys,
I totally hate America. Everything about it just pisses me off. Can I be accepted by the forum now? Am I cool?

In all seriousness, though, and at the risk of being disliked for my opinion I will say that I'm proud of my country. Its for selfish reasons, though. I like having the freedom to do and say whatever I want. If maintaining those freedoms requires that my government go knock a few heads in some foreign country that I can't relate to, then by all means, please do.

And before any of you self-righteous douche-bags start talking about how 'ignorant' and 'narrow-minded' I am, give me a break. I know that most of you posting here are just doing so because you think disliking the US is the in thing to do and that in any other situation, hypothetical or otherwise, you'd be just as goddamned selfish as I am. There's proof in hundreds of threads posted right here on these forums as to how selfish a good majority of the posters here are.

America does what it does to maintain its status as a world power, and so its citizens can maintain the lifestyle that they're used to. Unless you're completely willing to give up those freedoms or that standard of living so that other people in other countries can be happier and have a better life, then just stuff a sock in it and stop being a goddamned hypocrite. If you are willing to do so, then I offer my apologies for my assumption and wish you good luck in your sacrifice so that other people worlds away can live better. I'd like to also recommend that you pack some extra water bottles. I hear that its a scarce resource in those 3rd world countries.

On that note, I'm going to go pop a vicodin, plop down on my leather recliner in front of my 48" OLED TV and play some Skyward Sword with my golden Wii-mote.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[mangosofdoom]

evil which is a purely subjective term.

Evil is purely subjective? How interesting. If I rape you, under what conditions is it other than evil? I'd like to get a better handle on this, "There is no real evil, it's all subjective" thing before we continue on to my question, which was:

Now, there remains my central point regarding evil. If you embrace Communism, then you advocate the notion that simply by continuing to breathe, you have a legal claim to my wages and property. That's evil.

you have used the same line repeatedly without responding to any critisim people have made. Now i won't continue to try and defend myself when I'm fairly sure you seem to believe I'm a witch but when your country finally collapses in on itself and all your corporate backers leave for greener pastures well we will all have a good laugh.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Hey there.

Pretty pathetic rant. Okay, you found my last part most disturbing, the one where I pointed out that in all the times we've bleed and died for some foreign nation, all we ever asked for was ground to bury our dead under.

By all means, point out the time we asked for more. Until then, you've really got nothing to say. Since obviously, the only thing you want to do is reiterate the fact that you're a liberal.

Unwilling to engage on fact, capable only of ranting.

By "last part" I meant the last part of your post.

"You should be much more concerned about whether we like you...."

Disturbing. As. Fuck.

We have military bases in most countries we've occupied. Why? What's the point? What right do we have to police other countries?

And you say I'm unwilling to engage on fact, and I'm only capable of ranting.

I say you're in denial of all the bullshit we've done over the years, and you're only capable of kissing a fictional "Golden Land" country's ass that happens to share a name with ours.

So yeah. I'm more technically more liberal than conservative (I hold some conservative views, but either way, I despise political labels). And I'm not in denial, like some people.

So tell you what. You want me to actually pay attention to views, ignore ideas such as liberalism or conservatism, and simply state facts about the United States that makes us so perfect. And don't just reiterate your post I originally spoke about. Site specific examples. Sources would be good too.

 

[AladdinSane]

So your accusations are not only completely unfounded

As I've pointed out, China's success is due to *RELAXING* Communism, and permitting capitalism in certain authorized zones. How amusing that you pretend you didn't see what I wrote, and then proceed as if I didn't write it.

 

[quiet_samurai]

Because they're only ever exposed go America through the media be it American itself or not...... and its usually negative. They are never told about the good things or good people. Even other Americans are of the same mind.

 

[ZeroMachine]

This post represents why people hate the United States.

Really. I didn't see anything in either the post, or your response, that would suggest any precise reason why.

Now, I understand that you lefties need to confirm your PC bona-fides with your fellows every so often by being dismissive like this, wouldn't get invited to the good parties and such if you don't puke out the talking point every so often.

But just this once, why don't you take just one point I made, one specific point, and give me one specific reason why it's wrong?

Hey there.

Fellow American here.

Your entire damn post REEKED of bullshit nationalistic arrogance.

We aren't some country of knights in shining armor. We don't "grow the corn that feeds the entire globe". We don't "invent virtually everything of any importance". And this:

When we bleed and die protecting weak, incapable nations from invasions and wars, we ask for nothing in return but a bit of land under which to bury our dead.

is the biggest, most disgusting and disturbing pile of absolute horse shit I've ever seen anyone post anywhere on the internet, save for people that were deliberately lying in order to troll or satirize something.

I really, really, REALLY hope you're doing either of those things. Seriously. Because your entire post, ESPECIALLY that last part, is too picture perfect of an example of the sort of image our government wants the world to think is true.

Now, I don't hate America (yet, but we're getting close). I DEFINITELY don't hate Americans, or any other person from any country/nationality/ethnicity. I judge everyone I meet individually. But I sure as shit am not going to deny that our government is definitely not clean or heroic.

I apologize for a lot of the bullshit that our government has done, for the fact that we, as a people, don't stand up against what they've done, and for people like AlladinSane. If he's serious. Which, again, I seriously hope he isn't.

Don't apologize for the US. Stop bitching and whining about how awful the country is for infringing on others' rights and go do something about it. Sell your American assets in protest. Go live in Somalia or Afghanistan. Put your money where your mouth is or shut the fuck up, because spewing hypocritical, self-righteous, whiny bullshit is just as bad as if not worse than nationalistic bullshit. You won't, because you like what your country and 'fellow Americans' provide for you. A decent life with plenty of opportunities.

You blind? As I said, I don't hate America, yet, and yeah, I live a decent life. That doesn't mean I can't be pissed about the bullshit our government has done and is doing. So kindly kiss my ass.

 

[AladdinSane]

"You should be much more concerned about whether we like you...." Disturbing."

You are disturbed by my suggestion that crappy wannabe countries should concern themselves with how we feel about them, rather than vice versa? Since when does the *best* have to concern itself with what the *mediocre* think?

It is your viewpoint that disturbs. What manner of twisted neurosis leads the best people ... objectively proven by any possible measure of excellence ... to care what the losers of the world think?