High horses ho!Skoldpadda said:No, we are a bunch of poor bastards, which is why we only get to buy games we're relatively sure of beforehand there'll be some quality there, which is why these games often are the worst we've completed (not played).
Why does this go over so many heads? Christ, either I'm a genius or you people are incredibly dense.
Maybe they didn't have the idea for Pokestar studios until later? And they probably added the musical simply so that they could add something new. I remember reading an interview where the developers claimed that they were trying to make Unova feel seperated from the other gens so they probably removed the pokemon contests to show that they weren't popular in Unova.CrimsonBlaze said:I don't see them as sequels because, as I've said, they don't introduce anything new and any additions are only to supplement to the mess that was laid in Black and White. I'm aware of the features you mentioned, but why couldn't they add them in the first game? Why instead remove the Pokemon Contests and instead add the Pokemon Musical?werewolfsfury said:B&W 2 are a continuation of Black & Whites stories within the same generation. The story takes place 2 years after the M.C. from the last game beat Ghetsis and the game itself makes repeated references to it. If it were a reboot then they would have tossed out any mention of the last game.CrimsonBlaze said:Time skips do not constitute a sequel.werewolfsfury said:I'm not going to bother you with the rest because opinions and all that but B2 & W2 are sequels. The story takes place 2 years after the first game and the game makes reference to what happened in Black and White.CrimsonBlaze said:Pokemon Black Version.
Black 2 and White 2 ARE NOT sequels or third installments, but instead REBOOTS as they fix all the issues of the previous games by adding content from the previous 4 Gens and fixing most issues from their predecessors.
I just unlocked all I could as quickly as possible and buried that mess under my mess of things.
Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal version are the only true sequels to any handheld installment, as they also take place 3 years after Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow version while adding many new features and Pokemon.
Or was Black 2 & White 2 suppose to be homages to those titles?
Compare them and see which seems more like a sequel.
The game itself also introduced new features such as Pokestar studios and Funfest missions at the entralink.
The first game was meant to be an homeage to Gen 1 so I guess B&W2 could be in the same vein. I really don't understand why you can't see them as sequels, especially since they are a far more direct sequel than S/G/C was.
Also, why would I play a sequel to a game in the same region, with them same starters, and not think that this is a third installment? I say that it is a REBOOT in a metaphoric sense; the same game, told from a different perspective, with some new features while still having some of the same issues from its predecessors (namely the 150+ Gen 5 Pokemon).
Oh lord, I actually had very fond memories of this game up until recently...I've grown to absolutely detest most JRPGs, and this game takes pretty much every single thing I dislike about them to such extremes...I played it recently again, and actually finished it. Absolutely horrid. It's funny how childhood paints things in such a different light...Hemlet said:The worst game that I've ever completed?
Quest 64 without question. I've played my share of bad games, hell I've even rented and played Superman 64 for about 5 days, but Quest 64 is the bad game that I actually sat and saw through to the end because my grandma bought it for me for Christmas.
How is it bad? Well it's an RPG where:
-there is no currency, everything is just freely given to you for no adequate reason
-talking to NPCs other than the one that continues the game is a completely fruitless activity
-the "cities" are tiny with only 3 places of interest per location (inn, "shop", and the one NPC that continues the game)
-the shops only have one item, which they give to you for free. They will not give you more until you use the one item they gave you.
-there is ONE road. ONE. This ONE road can be followed from the beginning of the game straight to the end.
-the combat system is iffy at best and bullshit at worst.
-the people who made the game had absolutely no idea how a difficulty curve works.
-the story makes absolutely positively no sense whatsoever.
-I can count on one hand how many games I've played where the camera is as bad, if not worse, than the one in Quest 64
-the storyline starts off with you going to find your missing dad. Your dad is never mentioned again after the beginning area.
Credit where credit is due though, the music in the game was pretty okay. Not great, but it was decent.
werewolfsfury said:CrimsonBlaze said:...werewolfsfury said:Maybe they didn't have the idea for Pokestar studios until later? And they probably added the musical simply so that they could add something new. I remember reading an interview where the developers claimed that they were trying to make Unova feel seperated from the other gens so they probably removed the pokemon contests to show that they weren't popular in Unova.CrimsonBlaze said:-snap-werewolfsfury said:-snip-CrimsonBlaze said:Pokemon Black Version.
I also wouldn't say it's a reboot in the metaphorical sense either. By that definition every game in the series is a reboot
From Wikipedia:
(Simple) sequel
By definition this game is a sequel since it continues the story of the previous game and explains what became of Ghetsis,N and other characters.The game did in fact introduce new features but you choose to ignore them for some reason.The most common approach is for the events of the second work to directly follow the events of the first, either picking up dangling plot threads or introducing a new conflict to drive the events of a second story.
And I never actually said that they weren't third installments you did. it's undeniable that they are the standard third game but it breaks the mold by having a different story instead of copying the first installments story and adding a few tweeks near the end.
This game is a direct sequel taking place in the same region that (as you said) plays from a different perspective. For it to be a reboot in any sense it would have to completely ignore what happened in the last game (which it doesn't. Especially if you used the Unova link feature).
You can argue all you want that this game isn't a continuation of the last games story but it is in fact a sequel.
And before I forget: G/S/C are defined as stand alone sequels since it makes little mention of the last game other than the rockets attacking some years ago.
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Are you sure you're talking about Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal for the GameBoy Color?
*Characters talk about the events that occurred 3 years ago? Check.
*Team Rocket returns in order to take over the world and have Giovanni be their Boss again? Check.
*Lance from the Elite Four appears and becomes the new Pokemon League Champion? Check.
*Onto the Elite Four, Koga, a Gym Leader from Kanto, becomes a member of the Elite Four? Check.
*On Gym Leaders, Janine, Koga's daughter, becomes the new Gym Leader of Fuchsia City (Poison-type Gym Leader)? Check.
*Discoveries about Pokemon that were not previously heard of 3 years ago (Eggs, Breading, Held Items, etc.)? Check.
*Learning about Kanto and being able to venture into it after the main story? Check.
*Differences in each city and Gym Leaders from Kanto? Check.
*Cinnabar Island's volcano erupting, causing Blane to move to the Seafoam Islands to conduct Gym Battles? Check.
*BLUE, the dethroned Champion and rival of Red, is now the Viridian City Gym Leader (previously Giovanni)? Check.
*Everyone mentioning RED, the previous Champion and protagonist from the previous installment? Check.
*Getting a chance to actually fight Red? Check.
Yeah, you're totally right. There's nothing on the basis of story here that would lead anyone to believe that this game is a sequel. Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal really needed a number or else people wouldn't be able to make that assumption on their own. IN FACT, the reason people are so convinced that Black 2 and White 2 are THE FIRST sequels, is BECAUSE they HAVE NUMBERS.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that is literally all you do, so if you were losing interest after the first few dungeons I assure you that you didn't miss anything. Also the game develops this weird habit, later on, of making you do these amazing, climactic boss fights and then giving you absolutely nothing for it, except a trophy/achievement and a new quest marker on your map.SpunkeyMonkey said:Makes me glad that I traded it after a few dungeons. It started fantastically, but after a few dungeons got old very quick and I reached a point where I asked myself "hold up, has this game shot it's load now and is just gonna recycle loads of crap? And am I gonna just keep playing in the anticipation that it really takes off, only to be let down?"rob_simple said:Darksiders II. I loved the original, (and I use the word 'original' sparingly, in the case of Darksiders,) but while the first game borrowed/stole ideas from other games it always remained tight and focused; you always felt like there was a purpose to what you were doing.
I honestly still don't know what the fuck I was supposed to have achieved by the end of Darksiders II. Every single time I completed the task at hand it was revealed to be a red herring and there were several times during the game where I was halfway through a dungeon and I suddenly realised I had no idea what I was even doing there.
It felt like the whole game spunked it's load early on with a massive colossus fight and then could never really top that so it instead settled on padding the shit out of the campaign by constantly making you fetch three of something. And it was always three, to the point where I actually started to wonder if Darksiders II was meant to be a sattire instead of just hollow and shite.
From what you say that was exactly the case.
CrimsonBlaze said:werewolfsfury said:First of all calm down. Second I never said that G/S/C werent sequels to R/B/Y. I said it was a stand alone sequel because no one directly talks about the previous 3 years until after the game is beaten. It doesn't even give any indication that Kanto and Johto are even connected until then. Black and White 2 are in fact, the first direct sequels in the main pokemon series taking place in the same region 2 years after the events of the original Black and White.CrimsonBlaze said:...werewolfsfury said:Snikt!CrimsonBlaze said:-snap-werewolfsfury said:-snip-CrimsonBlaze said:Pokemon Black Version.
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Are you sure you're talking about Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal for the GameBoy Color?
*Characters talk about the events that occurred 3 years ago? Check.
*Team Rocket returns in order to take over the world and have Giovanni be their Boss again? Check.
*Lance from the Elite Four appears and becomes the new Pokemon League Champion? Check.
*Onto the Elite Four, Koga, a Gym Leader from Kanto, becomes a member of the Elite Four? Check.
*On Gym Leaders, Janine, Koga's daughter, becomes the new Gym Leader of Fuchsia City (Poison-type Gym Leader)? Check.
*Discoveries about Pokemon that were not previously heard of 3 years ago (Eggs, Breading, Held Items, etc.)? Check.
*Learning about Kanto and being able to venture into it after the main story? Check.
*Differences in each city and Gym Leaders from Kanto? Check.
*Cinnabar Island's volcano erupting, causing Blane to move to the Seafoam Islands to conduct Gym Battles? Check.
*BLUE, the dethroned Champion and rival of Red, is now the Viridian City Gym Leader (previously Giovanni)? Check.
*Everyone mentioning RED, the previous Champion and protagonist from the previous installment? Check.
*Getting a chance to actually fight Red? Check.
Yeah, you're totally right. There's nothing on the basis of story here that would lead anyone to believe that this game is a sequel. Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal really needed a number or else people wouldn't be able to make that assumption on their own. IN FACT, the reason people are so convinced that Black 2 and White 2 are THE FIRST sequels, is BECAUSE they HAVE NUMBERS.
That's crazy.
And here are a bunch of other smaller things I don't care to mention.Events from 2 years ago are talked about during the main story? *check*
Team Plasma in now divided into to factions (one run by Ghetsis still trying to conquer the world and the other trying to do what they thought they were doing in the first place)*check*
Iris (who may or may not have been a gym leader depending on the version) Become the new champion after the previous one left*check*
5 gym leaders retire (Chili, Cilan,Cress, Lenora, and Brycen) and get replaced by new comers?( Roxie, Marlon, and the previous M.C.s friend Cheren replacing them? *check*
Finding pokemon that weren't previously native to the region? *check*
All of the old gyms have new puzzles and an entire city is redone with at least 2 or more routes being edited?*check*
An earthquake cutting off the route to the Elite four forcing them to relocate? not a rehash but *check*
Being able to fight both Blue and Red as well as most of the other champions and gym leaders at the PWT? *check*
Being able to travel to the first protagonists hometown? *check*
Being able to fight the previous protagonist(Hilbert/Hilda)? Nope. The game states that he's traveling with the Reshiram/Zekrom you caught in B&W
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_Versions_2
B&W 2 are sequels for the many of the same reason G/S/C are.
How quickly did you finish that game anyway? did you not read any of the text? were you unable to/ decided not to use the memory link?
http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/unovalink.shtml
I advise that you go through the game again and actually pay attention this time.
I'm not the other guy bit im gonna bash FFXII anyway... to be blunt, its boring. The gambit system is less interactive then the FFXIII system everyone appears to hate, the games pace moves slightly slower than continental drift, the characters have the potential to be interesting, but the plot events occur so slowly i honestly forgot what i was doing or why. I liked everyone except the thrown in vaan( i even liked Pennello,) and the leveling/licencing system was both convoluted and almost completely pointless. By the end game every character essentially has the same base stats, so running penello or basch as a mage is almost equally effective depending on speccing. In doing so it eliminates their character during combat. I understand why they did it, but I prefer the FFX or XIII approach over 12's because each character's personality is demonstrated through their proficiency in their skills.Emaruse said:Sounds more like a flame attempt than actually talking about the game to me. And if this is the worst Final Fantasy ever, may I ask which one was the best one to you? Or which ones did better than this one? I'm honestly curious, because I'll agree with their not being much character development (Because Balthier, if I said that right, was fine how he is, and other than that, the others not improving much), I'll agree with the cliché story that rarely pops it's head in (Although the various parts of the game do try and explain some of the story. Try, not fully succeed) but I'm not that sure about your opinion on running through empty areas (Considering that each area had it's share of enemies, sounds like you were avoiding them), and the combat system? Now I know calling it broken is a flame attempt, it makes life easier than when compared to other Final Fantasy Games, and doesn't make it too easy like XIII. I personally don't see how the ability to micromanage how your party handles any battle situation at any time is a bad thing, or the fact that you can focus on you (The Party Leader) playing instead of having to hold everyone's hand (Which you have to do at the beginning, which is a huge chore, but once you get some extra gambit slots, life gets better at that point).00slash00 said:i think a lot of people are confusing worst game ever with game that didnt meet expectations.
worst game ive ever played? definitely final fantasy 12, without question. broken combat system, zero character development, barely existent story, and running through screen after screen of empty areas. literally the only reason i finished it was because my friend bet me i would give up because of how bad the game is
No offense to you, but you sound like someone who couldn't understand the combat system (More specifically, how the Gambit System aids in assisting you) and got beat a lot by enemies. However, if you just breezed on thru while trying to avoid the combat and just go for the main story, then you've missed quite a bit of the fun XII gives the player.
Still, to each their own opinion, and it's yours. That's just mine.
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To Stay On-Topic: Another game that I really found awful that I just finished a while back when it was released (And yes, I bought day one too, which made me even more depressed) was Halo 4. Yes, it refined the wheel of how it's played, but everything else really, and I mean REALLY annoyed me. The first thing that annoyed me was the Quick-Time-Events for Halo 4, especially the last QTE you do in the storyline, however, that's all I'll say in that matter, since that's spoiler right there. Speaking of Storyline, it seems that Master Chief has once again become the Dues ex Machina Omni-Weapon (Or McGuffin, as one Escapist would say) and it's not really well explained in the storyline. Also... Wasn't the last three Halo Games supposed to bring the Elites and others of the Covenant to the Human side? To that, I say.... What douchebag thing did humanity do to ruin that friendship while MC was asleep?! (And yeah, books probably explains human stupidity on that one, but I don't bother with Halo books much). And the multiplayer was... uninspired for me, to say the least, just felt like Halo Reach with added Call of Duty stuff.
^ Thishazabaza1 said:...I dunno. Normally when I don't like a game I just stop playing it.
What.an annoyed writer said:High horses ho!Skoldpadda said:No, we are a bunch of poor bastards, which is why we only get to buy games we're relatively sure of beforehand there'll be some quality there, which is why these games often are the worst we've completed (not played).
Why does this go over so many heads? Christ, either I'm a genius or you people are incredibly dense.
Look pal, I think there's a concept that's passing your oh-so-glorious genius brain up here: have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, the people who have completed these sub-par games might be...GASP!...Not in control of their buying decisions at the time? I say this because I got that Bionicle game for Christmas, and I didn't get a ton of games then I was 12. I took what I got. Did my uncle and aunt read game reviews? Hell to the fuck no! They just heard my brother and I liked Bionicles. When it's all you get for a long time, you tend to play the crap out of it, regardless of quality. And that's another reason a truly bad game is my worst-completed.
Oh god, I'd litterally forgotten that I'd actually finished both Kane and Lynch games.Max_A_Buck said:The first Kane And Linch game comes to mind. Unskippable cutscenes. "Jenny! Are you okay?" is all I can remember about the whole game now.
Oh god, fucking Dragon Age. There was a decent turn based combat system buried under that game, that they then slapped their trademark "Balder's Gate" real-time with pausing system over, and the whole thing degenerated into one never ending, tactically oversensitive clusterfuck.Skoldpadda said:Dragon Age. Yeah, the first one. Didn't bother with the second. Look, I'm what you spotty snotheads call an "oldfag", okay? You claim your game to be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate, you better come up with something better than this endlessly padded out and shallow exercise in patience. It had some qualities, enough for me to persevere with it, but at the end it really shits in your face for your trouble. First a laughable excuse for an endboss (*click click click click click click...*), then, as a reward, the worst thing you can afflict me with: 30 Seconds To Mars. I'd say "Fuck this game", but that sounds a bit hollow when you've actually completed it, n'est-ce pas? Oh, and I actually also beat the expansion Awakening (in less than a day)! And that was even more crap. What can I say, I was unemployed and had time.